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Offline abcdefghijk

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2021, 08:15:02 AM »
Recently, I seem to recall another person who threatened legal action when he didn't get what he wanted. When he didn't want to accept the majority decision.

But Democracy won out.

HOORAY for Democracy!

Thanking the DOT for the OPEN STREET OF 34th Ave.

How wonderful and joyful and pleasant it truly is.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2021, 09:11:38 AM »
^^Well, it should. You specifically asked:

If people who like OS are so opposed to the barriers, why don't they try other solutions?

The answer is that the people who like OS don't have the authority to try other solutions. Or were up unclear of the grammar of your question?

Turning to DoT, there's no mystery why that city agency has taken so long on this. There was an election in November for mayor. and city council. Undoubtedly, DoT decided to take it's sweet time to wait to see what the next mayoral administration and city council was going to be like. It also gave DoT time collect data on usage. They've presented one possible solution - the diverters - and you're still here complaining about why there aren't other solutions.

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In other areas, the OS have been cast aside by unhappy neighbors at a high rate and keeping this status without significant compromise seems delusional at best.

However, in this area there is high community support. One reason our OS is so successful is because of the well-managed, large, and committed group of volunteers willing to come out twice a day and move barricades. For almost a year and a half.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2021, 09:30:24 AM »
Thank you to the volunteers who manage the wonderful OPEN STREET of 34th Ave so well.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2021, 09:42:11 AM by abcdefghijk »
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2021, 08:24:46 PM »

   Someday, it will become clear on this subject of rightsizing 34th ave OS, that there are people with legit different views. One side claims dominance now and says it has all sorts of support. Is this accurate? Has data collection been done to any extent and where has it been publicized? We need details on usage, like every chain restaurant and supermarket posts, for busy/slow hours. Then we can have a town hall style meeting with most affected parties at the table first. Rewind from the pandemic urgency to a more sophisticated plan.
   And then we might see something different happen with the physical situation. So far, just metal barriers, no diverters, no cones or anything that had been discussed at meetings. Heavy metal barriers, period. Tiny confusing signs also and many people still really do not know who runs the whole thing. Volunteers or the city? Both? Spell it out clearly.
    Outdoor dining is getting a case by case review which sounds great because some of the outdoor spaces are terrific and some are awful. Lots of other issues attached to outdoor dining. And we have lots of issues with OS and propose the same type of review for 34th Ave. Run the numbers, take the polls and knock on doors (no one we know has had anyone ask, ever in an official capacity about the impact of the closure). Look at footage from all hours of operations. Let's bring in professionals who know the whole city and can give an unbiased view of 34th Ave. See if it is the right JH street, first and then if it needs substantial alteration in length and timing.

  Needs a substantial review stat. Patient in distress.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2021, 08:33:52 PM »
What a beautiful day it was today on the marvelous Open Street of 34th Ave.

All those smiling faces.

So different to the sourness elsewhere.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2021, 05:45:03 AM »
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Has data collection been done to any extent and where has it been publicized? We need details on usage, like every chain restaurant and supermarket posts, for busy/slow hours.

If yo attended the DOT presentation to CB3 in the fall on its initial plans youknow the answer is, yes, the DOT has done data collection. The deck was available from DOT. Did you request it? Goodness knows enough of the anti-OS contingent were in attendance (and mucking up the CB3 chat with their ongoing commentary to the presentation) that the deck could have been requested and distributed amongst their various social media groups.

I have no idea what data on usage you think chain restaurants and supermarkets post.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2021, 07:30:26 AM »
Interesting. Yet again, facts are ignored by those who don't get their way.

I seem to recall someone else who recently used that tactic. But happily the truth won out.

 :)

Another beautiful day ahead for lucky Jackson Heights  users of the Open Street of 34th Ave.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2021, 03:13:54 PM »
 Here's the type of graph info I'm referring to about how busy 34th ave is at different times of the day
from Google business*. They are pretty much used everywhere now but maybe some haven't seen them yet. Can be obtained from Google business, that is unless you believe that 34th Ave is always consistently busy all 13hours and all 7 days of the week and there is no need for an analytics.
Just ran into a friend whose daughter is circling around 34th Ave looking for a place to pick her up for doc appt. She's so frustrated and says who can you talk to?? No one, there is no one...she says.

 Have you seen the MTA Data? Useless and ineptly collected is all I have to say. We need outside professionals who have done this before and who will take time to really understand the neighborhood and avoid random closures and placements as the MTA has done. Real facts please!

 *Popular times graph from Google Business: This graph shows how busy your location typically is during different times of the day. ... Wait time estimates: This data shows how long a customer would have to wait before they receive service during different times of the day. It also shows the peak wait time for each day of the week.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2021, 04:04:24 PM »
Quote from: itsit on December 14, 2021, 03:13:54 PM
Here's the type of graph info I'm referring to about how busy 34th ave is at different times of the day
from Google business*. They are pretty much used everywhere now but maybe some haven't seen them yet. Can be obtained from Google business, that is unless you believe that 34th Ave is always consistently busy all 13hours and all 7 days of the week and there is no need for an analytics.
Just ran into a friend whose daughter is circling around 34th Ave looking for a place to pick her up for doc appt. She's so frustrated and says who can you talk to?? No one, there is no one...she says.

 Have you seen the MTA Data? Useless and ineptly collected is all I have to say. We need outside professionals who have done this before and who will take time to really understand the neighborhood and avoid random closures and placements as the MTA has done. Real facts please!

 *Popular times graph from Google Business: This graph shows how busy your location typically is during different times of the day. ... Wait time estimates: This data shows how long a customer would have to wait before they receive service during different times of the day. It also shows the peak wait time for each day of the week.

MTA data? Are you simply making up stuff as you go along in some kind of word salad?

https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/34th-ave-open-street-cb3-oct2021.pdf

That's the DOT power point for 34th ave.

77% for.
23% against.

The numbers have spoken.

HOORAY FOR THE OPEN STREET of 34TH AVE.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2021, 04:20:47 PM »
 There's lots of pablum out there...
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2021, 04:24:57 PM »
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2021, 04:28:22 PM »
77% of folks agree that 34th Ave should be a wonderful OPEN STREET.

Some of those 23% are denigrating and denying the 77% their opinions.

HOORAY for the 77%

HOORAY for the OPEN STEET of 34th Ave!

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice”
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2021, 04:40:40 PM »
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Here's the type of graph info I'm referring to about how busy 34th ave is at different times of the day
from Google business*. They are pretty much used everywhere now but maybe some haven't seen them yet.

I'm not seeing a graph, but I think I know what you are talking about. It's marketing and this is not information a supermarket or restaurant or Trader Joe's collects or posts. If I understand it correctly, this is just information Google tracks through smartphones and can tell people searching for a business what foot traffic is typically like (this would the same sort of tracking that lets Google Maps suggest an alternate route when there's an accident and slow down on a highway).

I have a Google business account, a Google business profile, but my business isn't retail so I don't bother with any of that kind of stuff. I'm not sure if there's a fee a business has to pay to Google for displaying that info, if it's offered as a way to satisfy users, or just given as free a la Google Analytics since it provides a ton of information to Google.

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Can be obtained from Google business, that is unless you believe that 34th Ave is always consistently busy all 13hours and all 7 days of the week and there is no need for an analytics
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I don't think DoT has created Google Business accounts for specific Open Streets, nor would I expect them to. Also, I don't think foot traffic is consistent on 34 OS, because I understand how traffic works. It's just much higher than what the most rabid critics claim (which is it's mostly empty most of the time, no matter the season).

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Have you seen the MTA Data? Useless and ineptly collected is all I have to say. We need outside professionals who have done this before and who will take time to really understand the neighborhood and avoid random closures and placements as the MTA has done. Real facts please!

Yes I have, and if you have, I am puzzled why you keep asking where the data is. Seems like a pretty disingenuous questions since what it seems like what you really mean "I've seen their data, and I just don't believe it."
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #73 on: December 23, 2021, 07:51:21 PM »
 It would be a beautiful Christmas present to have all parties involved recognize the plusses and the problematic regarding the 34th Ave Open Streets project.  :)
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2021, 09:06:28 PM »
Covid surge = greater need for closing the street. C'mon Omicron! Prove the NYT and the WaPo right and the South American researchers wrong! We can do it!
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