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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2021, 10:59:28 PM »
Great, so open streets is a Marxism thing?? Ugh... That explains a lot.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2021, 08:06:54 AM »
 Let's put "facts from the DOT" in quotes. After all, they are the ones that recently put a bike rack in an bird crap covered underpass, have put loading zones in areas of the neighborhood with commercial lots already available (corner of 74th and Northern) and said things in meetings like we don't have any nearby bike lanes in Jackson Heights and we have a pretty great one on 31st Ave, just over from 34th. Huh? These are their "facts" and that's why I am mystified by  their "facts" because they are anything but true about the neighborhood.
  Also what genius in the MTA who might be working with the DOT eliminated the bus stop in front of the physical therapy and radiation center and left the ones in front of Dunkin Donuts and the car wash on Northern Blvd? Does these people even visit the area before these changes?More neighborhood mysteries...

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2021, 08:18:16 AM »
Great, so open streets is a Marxism thing?? Ugh... That explains a lot.

No. Some folks on this forum call themselves Marxists.
But they own private property.
Owing private property is totally against Marxism.
And would make Karl Marx turn in his grave.

Alas no one knows Marx's view on the Open Street because he is dead. And turning in his grave...like I mentioned.

However, I love the Open Street of 34th Ave and thank the DOT and all the powers that have gifted this fantastic resource to the people of Jackson Heights.

And I am also definitely not a Marxist.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2021, 10:37:58 AM »

However, I love the Open Street of 34th Ave and thank the DOT and all the powers that have gifted this fantastic resource to the people of Jackson Heights.
I'm curious what leads you to love this nuisance. Do you use it frequently, or is it the side effect of quietude that endears it to you? To me it's a minor nuisance that I can tolerate, despite the need to drive around the block and move a barricade or two to get home maybe once or twice a day. If you really love it that much, then maybe it's best that it exists, if only to make one person happier. Just, please don't expect me to celebrate with you, unless you're out there moving the barricades for me. Enjoy your open street while I grumble.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2021, 11:12:29 AM »

However, I love the Open Street of 34th Ave and thank the DOT and all the powers that have gifted this fantastic resource to the people of Jackson Heights.
I'm curious what leads you to love this nuisance. Do you use it frequently, or is it the side effect of quietude that endears it to you? To me it's a minor nuisance that I can tolerate, despite the need to drive around the block and move a barricade or two to get home maybe once or twice a day. If you really love it that much, then maybe it's best that it exists, if only to make one person happier. Just, please don't expect me to celebrate with you, unless you're out there moving the barricades for me. Enjoy your open street while I grumble.

I am curious, as well.

If a person can't enjoy life and the small pleasures it offers...(like a great stroll down the Open Street of 34th Ave)...then when exactly does the enjoyment begin?

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2021, 01:01:10 PM »
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Let's put "facts from the DOT" in quotes. After all, they are the ones that recently put a bike rack in an bird crap covered underpass, have put loading zones in areas of the neighborhood with commercial lots already available (corner of 74th and Northern) and said things in meetings like we don't have any nearby bike lanes in Jackson Heights and we have a pretty great one on 31st Ave, just over from 34th. Huh? These are their "facts" and that's why I am mystified by  their "facts" because they are anything but true about the neighborhood.

You seem really unclear about the difference between data and decisions you don't like, as well as what a fact is.  Perhaps since you're online you could look at an online dictionary.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2021, 04:24:33 PM »
 Nope. Super clear, Captain. Not everyone agrees about the Open Streets is how it lies.

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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2021, 05:22:25 PM »
^Of course everyone doesn't agree about 34 OS. But the DoT having collected pedestrian counts at multiple times of days  over the course of months which show high usage doesn't become less of a fact because you don't like where they placed a bike rack or a DoT employee misspoke about bike lanes in the neighborhood.

Getting riled up over a program that the community has embraced - and let's remember the candidate for City Council who ran openly against 34 OS garnered all of a few hundred votes - really doesn't seem like a good use of anyone's energy. Better to advocate for changes to OS that will improve it to make it better (like a plan that eliminates the need for barricades to keep pedestrians protected and directs electric bikes and scooters being used for transportation purposes to streets with bike lanes).

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2021, 05:26:34 PM »

However, I love the Open Street of 34th Ave and thank the DOT and all the powers that have gifted this fantastic resource to the people of Jackson Heights.
I'm curious what leads you to love this nuisance. Do you use it frequently, or is it the side effect of quietude that endears it to you? To me it's a minor nuisance that I can tolerate, despite the need to drive around the block and move a barricade or two to get home maybe once or twice a day. If you really love it that much, then maybe it's best that it exists, if only to make one person happier. Just, please don't expect me to celebrate with you, unless you're out there moving the barricades for me. Enjoy your open street while I grumble.

I am curious, as well.

If a person can't enjoy life and the small pleasures it offers...(like a great stroll down the Open Street of 34th Ave)...then when exactly does the enjoyment begin?
Granted a stroll can be enjoyed. In fact I enjoy strolling throughout the city, despite the lack of Open Streets elsewhere. But I grew up walking on sidewalks, and not jaywalking. I also enjoy driving, except driving in Jackson Heights during the Open Streets is like being in Midtown. But a stroll doesn't take long. Why does the street have to be closed for 13 hours so you can stroll on the street instead of on the sidewalk?

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2021, 06:00:18 PM »
People act as if before "Open Streets", 34th Ave was some kind of pedestrian hell hole where the sidewalks were overcrowded with people, standing shoulder to shoulder as they trudged the cramped walkway to and from from their.. um.. where exactly are all these people going?

For me it's not so relaxing walking along a poorly kept stretch of asphalt where nearly every intersection has a truck or van or utility vehicle parked crosswise just so they can do what they need to do. Plus it's ugly.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2021, 06:52:09 PM »
and people act as if there was zero traffic on Northern Boulevard and 35th avenue (where i've lived in an avenue facing apartment for 20 years) before "open streets." i haven't seen a bit of difference. same annoyances, same periods of quiet (like right this minute).

and why do you find 34th avenue "ugly"? uglier than 37th? or Northern?

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2021, 12:53:36 AM »
To clarify, I find delivery trucks parked sideways in the intersections ugly.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2021, 05:22:13 AM »
JHResident, I have to ask, does someone come around in the evening and move barriers for "Nighttime OS"? I had to deal with a car parked in the crosswalk recently (on 34th) and the car's LED(?) lights beaming onto the sidewalk blinded me; couldn't see a thing. I tripped and fell. I was injured.

If each driver coming home has to do that, then it happens a lot, no? Or is it a designated person doing it at nightfall along the whole or a section of the OS?

Open Streets is a complete misuse of public resources.

The future of this city is looking pretty grim.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2021, 05:34:02 AM »
For me it's not so relaxing walking along a poorly kept stretch of asphalt where nearly every intersection has a truck or van or utility vehicle parked crosswise just so they can do what they need to do.

Just seeing the above quote after posting to JHResident as follows:
[D]oes someone come around in the evening and move barriers for "Nighttime OS"? I had to deal with a car parked in the crosswalk recently (on 34th) and the car's LED(?) lights beaming onto the sidewalk blinded me; couldn't see a thing. I tripped and fell. I was injured.
If each driver coming home has to do that, then it happens a lot, no? Or is it a designated person doing it at nightfall along the whole or a section of the OS?

Chickenring, is that what was blinding me perhaps? - a delivery truck at 6 o'clock in the evening? It was there for 5 to 10 minutes - maybe more. I wrote to DOT/Qns Commish about my fall and I will amend it if it wasn't likely a car but a delivery truck. (A woman who found me laying on the ground told me it was a car.)

What a mess OS is.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2021, 07:42:12 AM »
  Yes, OS is a mess. And advocating for change is a middle ground. Whose is in the middle? Not so many OS fans, is what I find sadly. Keep everything as is and in fact, give me more. Many of the 34th Ave residents are pleading for fewer hours, especially in the winter when they have to navigate the streets by foot, bikes, bus or vehicles and it's dangerous. But come hell or high water, others want the street closures untouched. Is this fair and/or advocating for change?

  For those residents on 34th ave, the outrageous closure time of not 4-6 or 8 hours but 13 HOURS of barricades to move and it's truly a hardship. Saw a man with a WW2 hat last week gingerly moving the metal barriers at 76th street last week to get to his garage and saying how frustrated he is with the city not listening to the residents about OS here. Add onto that it's MORE than 13 hours with trash pickup and street cleaning and these residents are fed up!! 6:15/6:30 garbage cans moving is insult to injury and very noisy!

  Voter turnout is so low here- I believe the last election was under 20%- that its a useless indicator of how the neighborhood feels about an issue, Open Streets or otherwise. Someone needs to do a fair and impartial assessment of the 34th OS and hopefully, it will not get litigious but it's certainly looking like it will go that way. The supporters of OS could compromise at any time...others are listening.