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Offline itsit

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Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« on: December 04, 2021, 08:26:34 AM »
 So much debate has happened with 34th Open Streets. Can anyone please answer why the ave is
closed when it is pitch black out at 7:00 on a cold night? With proper data collection, this could be
right sized so that the timing of the closures matches usage, need and common sense safety. How
many streets are closed at this hour besides 34th Ave which is not well lit and is mostly residential?
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2021, 02:26:39 PM »
Beautiful day today for the Open Street of 34th Ave.

We are so lucky to have this.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2021, 02:47:11 PM »
Quote from: abcdefghijk on December 04, 2021, 02:26:39 PM
Beautiful day today for the Open Street of 34th Ave.

We are so lucky to have this.

Talk about thread trolling... Must you inject your two cents of blind praise in every single discussion of "Open" Streets, regardless of whether it is relevant in any way at all? Itsit is totally right on this.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2021, 02:56:22 PM »
Quote from: ChickenringNYC on December 04, 2021, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: abcdefghijk on December 04, 2021, 02:26:39 PM
Beautiful day today for the Open Street of 34th Ave.

We are so lucky to have this.

Talk about thread trolling... Must you inject your two cents of blind praise in every single discussion

Yes. I love the Open Street.

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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2021, 01:46:47 PM »
  Thanks ChickenringNYC. It's an ominous sign that our current electeds and those on the way out - and the way in - are avoiding a town hall style debate here. Any format will do but both the sides of always open vs. always closed vs some common sense usage needs to be properly debated if the neighborhood can withstand this change. The fact is that Open Streets are great for some, some of the time. And not really so great for others and they tend to be impacted more hours.
   The army of people who want to make this "their project" and have their names attached is equally scary. But the immediate concern I have is the lack safety and visibility on these dark, cold and sometimes rainy nights is that 34th Ave is desolate and the lack of vehicular traffic makes it unsafe for residents living on the ave or nearby.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2021, 02:55:36 PM »
Thankfully the First Amendment allows for free speech.

Including positive comments as well.

Like positive comments for the Open Street of 34th Ave.

Thank you both to the First Amendment and the powers that have created the Open Street of 34th Ave.

So lucky to be in Jackson Heights for this positive wonderful project.  I am so happy to be able to voice my gratitude for their hard work in creating this gift for our community.

In my opinion it is the right size.

 :)
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2021, 03:24:25 PM »
Quote from: abcdefghijk on December 05, 2021, 02:55:36 PM
Thankfully the First Amendment allows for free speech.

Including positive comments as well.

Like positive comments for the Open Street of 34th Ave.

Thank you both to the First Amendment and the powers that have created the Open Street of 34th Ave.

So lucky to be in Jackson Heights for this positive wonderful project.  I am so happy to be able to voice my gratitude for their hard work in creating this gift for our community.

In my opinion it is the right size.

 :)

Can you just create your own thread titled "ZOMG Open Streets is Amazing Echo Chamber La La La I Can't Hear You Because My Head is Stuck in the Asphalt" and post twenty times a day on it? None of us will bother you there, I promise.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2021, 04:45:49 PM »
Quote from: ChickenringNYC on December 05, 2021, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: abcdefghijk on December 05, 2021, 02:55:36 PM
Thankfully the First Amendment allows for free speech.

Including positive comments as well.

Like positive comments for the Open Street of 34th Ave.

Thank you both to the First Amendment and the powers that have created the Open Street of 34th Ave.

So lucky to be in Jackson Heights for this positive wonderful project.  I am so happy to be able to voice my gratitude for their hard work in creating this gift for our community.

In my opinion it is the right size.

 :)

Can you just create your own thread titled "ZOMG Open Streets is Amazing Echo Chamber La La La I Can't Hear You Because My Head is Stuck in the Asphalt" and post twenty times a day on it? None of us will bother you there, I promise.

Oh ChickenringNYC...I know you secretly love my positive posts on the Open Street of 34th Ave which is so awesome in our neighborhood.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2021, 09:42:44 AM »
Beech Court, am not quite sure how to read your post. Is it in support of rightsizing? That's my first instinct but am checking here.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2021, 03:11:14 PM »
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Can anyone please answer why the ave is closed when it is pitch black out at 7:00 on a cold night?

Because predictable hours need to be predictable and consistent. Because the OS gets consistently decent usage, even at 7 pm in the winter.

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Any format will do but both the sides of always open vs. always closed vs some common sense usage needs to be properly debated if the neighborhood can withstand this change.

Seems like we had this all summer and fall long, culminating in a general election a couple weeks ago. Prior to that, a small group of people marched in protest of the open street on the open street, a second, even smaller group did that too, and for the cherry on top protested in front of our council member's office when the office wasn't open.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2021, 06:39:37 PM »
 Captain Flannel, do you have any data collected? We are near 34th and see it many hours of the day/night. Our eyes might not be perfect but it is a long, long stretch to say the street gets consistently decent use all 13hrs a day, seven days a week, in sun and rain, heat and cold. Really?? 
  Even the busiest of businesses can now produce algorithms that show their busiest times and the lulls. Why is there so much resistance here to say that some of time, and I repeat, some of the time, it's just not busy and in fact there are a number of times it is empty. Fact. Let the streets cameras show us the results, please. What is there to hide? Otherwise, this would be a history making project for having supposed 100% support by all residents for every aspect of a public project. Who could really believe that is true?
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2021, 05:24:14 AM »
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Captain Flannel, do you have any data collected? We are near 34th and see it many hours of the day/night. Our eyes might not be perfect but it is a long, long stretch to say the street gets consistently decent use all 13hrs a day, seven days a week, in sun and rain, heat and cold. Really??

The DoT does. If you had attended any of the CB3 meetings that DoT presented their plans, you'd know there is data. Also, I have eyes.

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  Even the busiest of businesses can now produce algorithms that show their busiest times and the lulls. Why is there so much resistance here to say that some of time, and I repeat, some of the time, it's just not busy and in fact there are a number of times it is empty. Fact. Let the streets cameras show us the results, please. What is there to hide? Otherwise, this would be a history making project for having supposed 100% support by all residents for every aspect of a public project. Who could really believe that is true?

The DoT's data says otherwise. Considering that the opponents of 34 OS don't understand traffic pattern ebbs and flows, falsely claim from seeing one empty block means that the entire 1.2 mile stretch is empty, moan and groan that the street is empty during bad weather and why oh why can't the hours be adjusted on a hour by hour basis according to Doppler radar, and consistently fail to see the people actually on the street (with ridiculous pictures posted online claiming the street is "empty" when you can see pedestrians on OS in the picture), I'll take DoT's data over false narratives any day.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2021, 06:43:35 PM »
Quote from: itsit on December 07, 2021, 09:42:44 AM
Beech Court, am not quite sure how to read your post. Is it in support of rightsizing? That's my first instinct but am checking here.

This is a thread and one message follows another. So did mine.
No explanation given.... no explanation needed! It should be obvious.
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Re: Rightsizing 34th Ave for residents of the ave & for different times/seasons
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2021, 11:36:00 PM »
Hooray for following a post with a reply!
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