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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2011, 07:48:17 PM »


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I moved to JH 'cause of everything that JH is and isn't.   I've lived in Park Slope... even if someone gave me a gorgeous brownstone over there I would wish it was here.

That being said I really wish we had a _____... oh never mind, its just a short train ride away

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2011, 08:22:02 PM »
OK, it is time to reveal what many of us have hidden for a long time:

If you go into *certain* 99-cent stores or *certain* banks or *certain* hoochie-shirt stores, and if you go to the owner and offer the secret handshake, the back door will open and you will enter a secret back room of great, juicy burgers, gorgeous salads, and great beers on draft. I feel bad for allayouse who don't know the right spots or the right handshake, but I had to promise not to tell the specifics.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2011, 12:00:34 PM »
A spoon full of sugar Miss Poppins.....what a great attitude you have and yes I shall remind myself that a juicy burger is only a short drive away and the best cemitas are around the corner!  I vote Mary Poppins for Mayor of JH!   :rockon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrnoR9cBP3o


Changing it back is somehow different change... ?  ;)

I moved to JH 'cause of everything that JH is and isn't.   I've lived in Park Slope... even if someone gave me a gorgeous brownstone over there I would wish it was here.

That being said I really wish we had a _____... oh never mind, its just a short train ride away
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2011, 10:05:27 PM »
LOL - the song really is a great motto. Between Mary Poppins and Pollyanna what else do you really need to learn to get through life?

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2011, 05:18:28 PM »
My husband and I moved to Jackson Hts 5 plus years ago, not for its 99 cent stores but for it's diversity and it's potential.  My husband is an immigrant from the Carribean and I am the granddaughter of one. My mother grew up 10 blocks from my current apartment. We are both college educated but are solidly middle class in income and ethic. Please, is there really something wrong with wanting besides 99 cent stores, bodegas and money transfers? The Spanish restaurants are wonderful, but noise and garbage and illegal conversions are not.  Moderate gentrification is not the threat that everyone thinks it is.  After all, isn't that the same thing that immigrants aspire to? They leave their home countries for a better life, a better home. They want their children to go to school, get good jobs. Worrying about places like Espresso 77 is pointless. Believe me, if someone wants to take the colossal chance of opening up a small business with the way the rents are around here, they should be supported.  and doing   I've been there only a few times to pick up a coffee (yes, I admit it- I like good coffee!) and it seems like a modest and nice place.  While walking my dog, I've run into a guy who's also a musician who entertains there every once in a while:  yes, he is hip because he's an artist, but he's also a husband and father. He works a in a city job to support his family .  He came to JH because he wanted a nice place for his family to live. This is a normal guy, with normal concerns like anyone else.  He's a decent guy and I want more hipsters like him in JH.  Let's have some true diversity in Jackson Heights and make it a nice place for the people who live here and those who want to live here.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2011, 10:11:36 AM »
jackson heights is not the south bronx or east new york or the lower east side of 20 years ago (they're well served now).

banks are not going to desert a solidly middle class neighborhood. never have, never will.

do we have too many? only if you think one bank per block is too many. i do.

jackson heights is not the south bronx or east new york or the lower east side of 20 years ago (they're well served now).

I never said JH was any of those places.  Merely pointed out an extreme case to highlight what you might expect if there were zero banks.

banks are not going to desert a solidly middle class neighborhood. never have, never will.

JH is solidly middle class?  Really?  I guess former Jackson Heights resident John Leguizamo didn’t get the memo!:
 
http://ghettoklownonbroadway.com/

Maybe “Middle-Class Klown” doesn’t carry the swagger that “Ghetto Klown” does? 

There’s a jackpot misrepresentation lawsuit against Leguizamo waiting right there for an ambitious lawyer!  It could be the biggest case of misrepresentation since the lawsuit against the film “The Never Ending Story”!

do we have too many? only if you think one bank per block is too many. i do.

But of course!  It's all about YOU!  Because the laws of economics don't apply anymore!  Adam Smith and David Ricardo be damned! 

Landlords shouldn't rent out space to whomever pays the most, they should pay attention to the whims of commenters on message boards!
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2011, 10:19:24 AM »
My husband and I moved to Jackson Hts 5 plus years ago, not for its 99 cent stores but for it's diversity and it's potential. .........Let's have some true diversity in Jackson Heights and make it a nice place for the people who live here and those who want to live here.

Splendid comments! 

Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2011, 10:48:08 AM »
not saying anyone should cater to my whims, sir.

and, to use your "logic," i guess one should let some entertainer who lived in the area 20 years ago and comes back for the occasional photo op decide what to call it -- rather than those of us who actually live here (and have for years).

jackson heights a ghetto?

have you ever been here?

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2011, 11:04:29 AM »
I don't think JH is solidly middle class. Maybe in the historic district, but not where I live. Almost every time I'm out at a local business, I'm behind someone paying with a EBT card. That's not to say this neighborhood is "ghetto". It's far from being anything like East St. Louis.

Anyway, I Live Here Too makes some really good points. And DSSJH is entitled to her OPINIONS, sir. Especially in a MESSAGE BOARD thread asking people's OPINIONS.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2011, 11:13:32 AM »
jackson heights is not the south bronx or east new york or the lower east side of 20 years ago (they're well served now).

I never said JH was any of those places.  Merely pointed out an extreme case to highlight what you might expect if there were zero banks.

banks are not going to desert a solidly middle class neighborhood. never have, never will.

JH is solidly middle class?  Really?  I guess former Jackson Heights resident John Leguizamo didn’t get the memo!:
 
http://ghettoklownonbroadway.com/

Maybe “Middle-Class Klown” doesn’t carry the swagger that “Ghetto Klown” does? 

There’s a jackpot misrepresentation lawsuit against Leguizamo waiting right there for an ambitious lawyer!  It could be the biggest case of misrepresentation since the lawsuit against the film “The Never Ending Story”!

do we have too many? only if you think one bank per block is too many. i do.

But of course!  It's all about YOU!  Because the laws of economics don't apply anymore!  Adam Smith and David Ricardo be damned! 

Landlords shouldn't rent out space to whomever pays the most, they should pay attention to the whims of commenters on message boards!
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We've been a "solidly" middle class neighborhood for decades.  We've had our ups and downs, but we've never been a "ghetto."  I'm not going to let some actor who is trying to build up his "street cred" for a show define us.  By the way, I worked with Leguizamo's mother many years ago.  She was middle class.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2011, 11:22:57 AM »
and, to use your "logic," i guess one should let some entertainer who lived in the area 20 years ago and comes back for the occasional photo op decide what to call it -- rather than those of us who actually live here (and have for years).

Take your beef up with John Leguizamo, not me.  I'm not the one with the Broadway play.

Here's a couple more descriptions of JH:

How about this article from the NY Community Media Alliance?  All of us proper thinking leftists (Ha!) who visit JH Life know that we shouldn’t trust the mainstream media, that’s why we read the Indy Press!:

“Jackson Heights, once ghetto now Desi neighborhood of choice”

http://www.indypressny.org/nycma/voices/212/briefs/briefs/

According to this Daily News article about Starbuck's, JH used to be “working class”:

“The pending arrival of the gourmet coffee chain has stirred up heated debates about what it means for the identity of the once-working-class community.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/01/15/2008-01-15_starbucks_perks_angst_excitement.html

Looks like someone from the Jackson Heights marketing department should sort out what the neighborhood is all about……..
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2011, 11:34:09 AM »
i know what jackson heights *was*


a) a swath of farmland that became the property of one company.

b) america's first garden apartment community -- with luxury co-ops established in the 1920s.

c) home of one of the city's nicest golf courses.

d) a solid working-class area with plenty of diversity (a word you seem to view as an epithet).

e) a hotbed for prostitution and street-corner drug dealing.


i'm talking about what jackson heights *is*, not what it *was*.
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2011, 12:15:09 PM »
Take your beef up with John Leguizamo, not me.  I'm not the one with the Broadway play.

Here's a couple more descriptions of JH:

How about this article from the NY Community Media Alliance?  All of us proper thinking leftists (Ha!) who visit JH Life know that we shouldn’t trust the mainstream media, that’s why we read the Indy Press!:

“Jackson Heights, once ghetto now Desi neighborhood of choice”

http://www.indypressny.org/nycma/voices/212/briefs/briefs/

According to this Daily News article about Starbuck's, JH used to be “working class”:

“The pending arrival of the gourmet coffee chain has stirred up heated debates about what it means for the identity of the once-working-class community.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/01/15/2008-01-15_starbucks_perks_angst_excitement.html

Looks like someone from the Jackson Heights marketing department should sort out what the neighborhood is all about……..

Yeah, let's sit here and debate some more on the exact label we want want for JH! That's really useful! I'm gonna spend my day Googling old, conflicting articles and then be smug about it.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2011, 01:37:12 PM »
Take your beef up with John Leguizamo, not me.  I'm not the one with the Broadway play.

Here's a couple more descriptions of JH:

How about this article from the NY Community Media Alliance?  All of us proper thinking leftists (Ha!) who visit JH Life know that we shouldn’t trust the mainstream media, that’s why we read the Indy Press!:

“Jackson Heights, once ghetto now Desi neighborhood of choice”

http://www.indypressny.org/nycma/voices/212/briefs/briefs/



According to this Daily News article about Starbuck's, JH used to be “working class”:

“The pending arrival of the gourmet coffee chain has stirred up heated debates about what it means for the identity of the once-working-class community.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/01/15/2008-01-15_starbucks_perks_angst_excitement.html

Looks like someone from the Jackson Heights marketing department should sort out what the neighborhood is all about……..

How is a working class neighborhood a ghetto?  And why do you rely on labels from indy newspaper reporters who probably never set foot here prior to writing the article?  This has always been a middle class neighborhood filled with teachers, lawyers, blue collar workers etc.   

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2011, 01:40:20 PM »
I'm beginning to think this thread was just started to make everyone bicker.