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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2011, 05:23:55 PM »
bare burger is not bad at all, but if you're talking non-J.H. western queens, Donovan's in woodside is head and shoulders above 'em all!
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If you ever get a chance, check out Bare Burger in Astoria.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2011, 12:31:40 PM »
I understand that banks are a necessary but just how many do we need here in JH?

Be careful what you wish for!

Many neighborhoods in NYC - especially poorer ones in the South Bronx, Lower East Side, etc. - would love to have even one big bank branch.  That's one of the arguments behind the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), that the big banks should set up branches in such neighborhoods, and serve those communities.

Does JH have too many banks?  I'm not sure, but consider the alternative - if we had very few banks, then check cashers would probably come in to fill the void.  I'd rather have too many banks then too many check cashers!  (There are laws actually limiting the number of check cashers in a certain area - they can't be next door to each other - I think they can't be closer than 3/10s of a mile to each other)

But we're better off having too many banks in the neighborhood giving people some choices, than no choices and a bunch of check cashers that simply gouge the working poor with ridiculous fees.
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2011, 02:36:50 PM »
We don't go to the Mark Twain diner anymore cuz the last time the waitstaff look like they haven't bathed in this century and the silverware was crusty.  Pretty offputting! lol

I've never met a more rude staff than at Mark Twain. Their customer service is the worst. I will never eat there again. Plus, their DOH write-up is disgusting. I'd rather go to Wendy's than eat a Mark Twain burger.

I understand that banks are a necessary but just how many do we need here in JH?

Be careful what you wish for!

Many neighborhoods in NYC - especially poorer ones in the South Bronx, Lower East Side, etc. - would love to have even one big bank branch.  That's one of the arguments behind the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), that the big banks should set up branches in such neighborhoods, and serve those communities.

Does JH have too many banks?  I'm not sure, but consider the alternative - if we had very few banks, then check cashers would probably come in to fill the void.  I'd rather have too many banks then too many check cashers!  (There are laws actually limiting the number of check cashers in a certain area - they can't be next door to each other - I think they can't be closer than 3/10s of a mile to each other)

But we're better off having too many banks in the neighborhood giving people some choices, than no choices and a bunch of check cashers that simply gouge the working poor with ridiculous fees.

We already do have an unusually large amount of check cashing places on Roosevelt.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2011, 04:16:39 PM »
red herrings, john.

jackson heights is not the south bronx or east new york or the lower east side of 20 years ago (they're well served now).

banks are not going to desert a solidly middle class neighborhood. never have, never will.

do we have too many? only if you think one bank per block is too many. i do.

 
I understand that banks are a necessary but just how many do we need here in JH?

Be careful what you wish for!

Many neighborhoods in NYC - especially poorer ones in the South Bronx, Lower East Side, etc. - would love to have even one big bank branch.  That's one of the arguments behind the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), that the big banks should set up branches in such neighborhoods, and serve those communities.

Does JH have too many banks?  I'm not sure, but consider the alternative - if we had very few banks, then check cashers would probably come in to fill the void.  I'd rather have too many banks then too many check cashers!  (There are laws actually limiting the number of check cashers in a certain area - they can't be next door to each other - I think they can't be closer than 3/10s of a mile to each other)

But we're better off having too many banks in the neighborhood giving people some choices, than no choices and a bunch of check cashers that simply gouge the working poor with ridiculous fees.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2011, 07:26:09 PM »
Sure we have too banks.  But if it's a choice between a bank or a 99 cent store...well.... tough decision...NOT. Honestly, several of the banks that have opened here are pretty aesthetically pleasing (for me anyway..I love the original architecture of all the housing in JH). While the banks may have the money to restore, it does show they are making a commitment to the neighborhood. That's a good thing....and I think a sign that the neighborhood will continue to flourish.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2011, 06:21:09 PM »
Going back to the original topic . . .  I feel that the neighborhood will continue to evolve, primarily because the middle class is being priced out of Brooklyn etc., especially those folks starting a family and needing space.  Some of the factors that are tempering the gentrification (for lack of a better word) include the limited public green space, the limited supply of rental units, and the commuting time to downtown Manhattan. However, overall, you have the housing, transportation, and commercial infrastructure in place to see significant gentrification over the next decade.

I have lived in South Brooklyn and loved it while I was there, the food, the bars, the parks, the overall scene. I am now in JH and I love this place, albeit for different reasons. I love the Uruguayan bakery, the Polish deli, the tamaleras near the subway entrances, even a roasted chicken every so often. I will never go hungry in this n’hood. I love that LGBT couples make up 20%+ of my building. I love seeing Tibetan ladies dressed in their traditional garbs. I like walking down Roosevelt and wondering what happens beyond all the dark stairwells late at night. I love that people in the neighborhood seem obsessed with having dogs as pets. I love seeing the teenagers make out against trees, cars, and entryways because they have nowhere else to go. I also like stopping by Table Wine and grabbing a decent bottle of wine come Friday night.

I am not into the littered streets, nor into people not picking up after their dogs, nor into the calling cards handed out on weekends, nor into the lack of public greenspace, nor into the number of women with cosmetic surgery. I don’t care much for E77 for some of the reasons expressed before, but I wish the owners all the best in making their business work for them. At the end of the day, none of these are deal breakers for me. Like any relationship, you take with good with the bad . . . .and overall there is lots of good here.

I don’t think JH will become the next Brooklyn (nor do I want it to be). However, it will change significantly, but in a way that builds off of what we have here. We will likely see more professionals, more money, more kids, but it will be people who appreciate and embrace the diversity of JH. Mind you, my sense is that many of the immigrants in JH are “middle class”. They may not be college educated or read the New Yorker, but they are hard working, take pride in who they are, are happy with where they are in life, etc. I think those folks helped JH become the safe and prosperous place it is today.

My last observation, I get the sense that there are some people who moved to JH from Brooklyn etc. and either resent having to live here or resent not being able to live there. That sucks because they should live where they will be happy. I suspect some of these folks end up leaving JH, some just come to terms with the place and get past it, while others just keep hoping for the gentrification that has grabbed hold of Brooklyn etc. For better or worse, some of that gentrification is inevitable and likely sooner than we think.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2011, 06:54:19 PM »
Bravo Kiam my sentiments exactly!  I moved to JH over seven years ago and came here for what JH had to offer.  Does it offer everything...no but what neighborhood does.  I have empathy for those who move here and can't embrace all that JH has to offer.
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2011, 12:36:29 AM »
I don't get it.  You move to JH to change it, or rather hope for it to change?  If you don't like JH just leave!  Why did you move here hoping for it to change?  There are plenty of other "Hip" neighborhoods to live in.  Good riddance.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2011, 10:30:45 AM »
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There will be another Walgreens opening, like we another chainstore in JH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Its BS  I recently saw an old picture of JH with nice Shops and I kinda wish that we still had small mom and pop shops as oppossed to this chain stores
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A cafe serving up some juicy burgers would be much appreciated!!!!!!!!!!
I guess it's OK for some folks to want something different in the neighborhood. Do you guys have a secret handshake so you know who's "OK" and who you can heap empathy on?  :2funny:

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2011, 12:37:27 PM »
Mr. Ed there are burgers to be had here in JH but having the desire for a good one does not mean I want to change the neighborhood and yes we do have a secret handshake.  :coolsmiley:

and  I guess it's OK for some folks to want something different in the neighborhood. Do you guys have a secret handshake so you know who's "OK" and who you can heap empathy on?  :2funny:
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2011, 12:57:22 PM »
Glad to hear about the handshake, I'm still having a hard time seeing the difference between wanting A and wanting B, if neither A nor B are currently in the neighborhood, then their appearance would constitute CHANGE, and it doesn't really matter WHAT A and B actually are.


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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2011, 01:06:18 PM »
I don't get it.  You move to JH to change it, or rather hope for it to change?  If you don't like JH just leave!  Why did you move here hoping for it to change?  There are plenty of other "Hip" neighborhoods to live in.  Good riddance.

I love Jackson Heights--no need for negativity.  There's no harm in discussing changes happening to the neighborhood.  The topic was about gentrification of other neighborhoods and if that might happen to Jackson Heights because it's a phenomenon that seems to be common in NYC. 

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2011, 01:07:05 PM »
and  I guess it's OK for some folks to want something different in the neighborhood. Do you guys have a secret handshake so you know who's "OK" and who you can heap empathy on?  :2funny:

And, I think it's okay to "want" things in your neighborhood.  It doesn't mean that you're bashing it, as most people here don't seem to be.

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2011, 02:06:45 PM »
Well said.  Thanks.

And, I think it's okay to "want" things in your neighborhood.  It doesn't mean that you're bashing it, as most people here don't seem to be.
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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2011, 07:36:41 PM »
There will be another Walgreens opening, like we another chainstore in JH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Its BS  I recently saw an old picture of JH with nice Shops and I kinda wish that we still had small mom and pop shops as oppossed to this chain stores.

Changing it back is somehow different change... ?  ;)

I moved to JH 'cause of everything that JH is and isn't.   I've lived in Park Slope... even if someone gave me a gorgeous brownstone over there I would wish it was here.

That being said I really wish we had a _____... oh never mind, its just a short train ride away