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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2011, 09:47:42 PM »
This thread should be joined with the 'Is this site too politically correct??' thread.  

Every thread that had even a slight "whiff" of gentrification on these boards  ALWAYS gets people bickering...   And THAT gets censured by the Mods eventually.    It cracks me up because I love good, heated disagreements sometimes.  Oh well.

In my opinion, I don't think JHs will undergo the changes like some Brooklyn neighborhoods for a reason already mentioned:  JHs has more Co-ops and private houses then rentals.  Hipsters usually are younger -  (just starting out in the work force) - so usually poorer and more likely to look for rentals.

And JHs is now possibly one of the more diverse communities in NY.  JohnPrester, you like researching: what are the demographics here?  So I think it will always have change (what place doesn't) but in the 24 years I've lived here the changes haven't been that dramatic that I would compare JHs to say Williamsburg.  Or Greenpoint for that matter.  

I love living here for the reasons: good and bad.   I wouldn't want to be here if all the reasons were BAD.  AND if all the reasons were GOOD, what would we discuss???  

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2011, 01:04:36 PM »
My husband and I moves here 2 years ago from Manhattan for bigger space.  There is the good of JH, and there is the bad- which you will find in any neighborhood...but some times the bad wants to send me running.
For example, the garbage.
does it have to be so dirty? No matter what country you come from, can we all just put trash in its place.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2011, 05:51:55 PM »
After living in the West Village for 10 years, and Hoboken for 16 -my partner and I are happy we 'landed' in JH.  Like many of the other posts say, it's not perfect, but there is life and energy and hope here.  I see positive changes all around me.  When we first moved to Hoboken, there was a tremendous mix, Indian, puerto Rican, African Americans, etc....  But as time passed it became more and more white.  I don't want that to happen here. 

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2011, 06:58:09 PM »
What race are you?

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2011, 09:47:11 PM »
I love the diversity of Jackson Heights and don't really pay much attention to "the color" of the population here....BUT.... in the words of Mommy Dearest,  " I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at the dirt." There are some nice things happening.. the green market....Table Wine...Expres so 77....Film Festivals...the Play Street...and I really don't consider any of it a "color".  JH to me is inclusion..not exclusion. The gentrification of the neighborhood is the evolution of that. You'll find negative things here no doubt,  but this is New York...and shit happens. That's what makes it fun!? I hope it continues to showcase the best of all of us. ...no matter what the color....just without the dirt.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2011, 06:58:18 AM »
FoxyWiles - I am a white guy.  We wanted to live in JH for many different reasons, but the diversity was at the top of the list.  I saw the west village go from many mom & pop stores to virtually none.  In Hoboken all the original bread bakeries closed and became condos. If you walk down Washington Street today you will see a crazy # of nail salons, real estate offices, haircutters, as well as many empty store fronts...  I'm am hoping that JH will evolve and retain most of it's character while losing few of the aspects that are not so pleasent..   

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2011, 07:16:40 AM »
Are all white people the same? I think those that move out here may be a little more complex than the ones you might encounter in Williamsburg or the Village. The ones that move out here are going to tend to be the ones that appreciate the diversity of the neighborhood.

Are Jewish people with white skin just "more white people invading the hood"? In NYC, Jews are numerous, but in the rest of the States, they are a very small minority. In that context, I would assume that an influx of Jews does indeed add diversity. What about Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, etc.? Are they being mistaken for "more white people invading the hood" when in fact they are immigrants with different cultures and languages and cuisines?  What about the many South Americans who happen to have white skin?  Many of the white people that I know in this neighborhood fall into one of these categories, and the rest are most certainly the type who appreciate all the diversity of the neighborhood.

If you look back through the history of the neighborhood, there have been many waves of immigrants to this neighborhood, and Indians and South Americans were not the first. The character of the neighborhood will forever be changing slightly.

Apart from the introduction of Starbucks and the proliferation of banks, I haven't seen a whole lot of changes for the worse hitting the neighborhood since I moved here 3 years ago. And there is a lot of great new stuff happening here.

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2011, 07:29:48 AM »
Lapdanson:


we all have different perspectives, of course. frankly, the neighborhood *hasn't* changed a whole lot since you moved here three years ago. it's changed a great deal since i moved here 15 years ago. even more since some of my neighbors moved here in the '60s and '70s. and no, i'm not saying your perspective is less valid :)

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Re: Will Jackson Heights undergo the same transformation?
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2011, 11:20:48 AM »
FoxyWiles - I am a white guy.  We wanted to live in JH for many different reasons, but the diversity was at the top of the list.  I saw the west village go from many mom & pop stores to virtually none.  In Hoboken all the original bread bakeries closed and became condos. If you walk down Washington Street today you will see a crazy # of nail salons, real estate offices, haircutters, as well as many empty store fronts...  I'm am hoping that JH will evolve and retain most of it's character while losing few of the aspects that are not so pleasent..   

You're a white guy who doesn't want other white guys in your neighborhood? Are you greedy or self-hating? (I'm not trying to pick a fight here - Really! I'm just curious about about people who gush over diversity. Don't get me wrong, I would never want to live in the EUS or Williamsburg, but I'm intrigued about those who put it at the top of their list.)

A lot of the "not so pleasant" aspects are because of the diversity. For example, the spitting and the public urination. I guess you gotta take the bad with the good.