Poll

Do you plan to use the facilities at Diversity Plaza once it is done?

Yes, I plan to sit, eat, read a paper, use the internet
13 (23.2%)
Yes, to walk pass it on the way to the subway
16 (28.6%)
No, I will try to avoid the area as too many homeless
5 (8.9%)
No, I think it a waste of 5 million of taxpayers money
22 (39.3%)

Total Members Voted: 56

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Offline Matt

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #165 on: July 01, 2018, 10:52:17 AM »
I think the trees alone are a big improvement. The other plants are nice too.

The fact that it's hard to find a seat there on a nice day goes against all of the comments suggesting this is a failure. Just saying.

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #166 on: July 01, 2018, 12:38:40 PM »
"The fact that it's hard to find a seat there on a nice day goes against all of the comments suggesting this is a failure. Just saying."

That depends on who's doing the sitting

"Also, it has no private partnerships to help fund anything. No domino development and no BID."

It also has little or no support from most of the local businsesses which will work negatively towards its' success.

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #167 on: July 01, 2018, 01:03:40 PM »
"The fact that it's hard to find a seat there on a nice day goes against all of the comments suggesting this is a failure. Just saying."

That depends on who's doing the sitting



could you clarify that statement?

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #168 on: July 01, 2018, 08:59:15 PM »
I mean the homeless psychotic people....not such a pleasure to be seated with.

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #169 on: July 02, 2018, 03:06:12 PM »
ah. rarely see any of them seated at tables. i go to manhattan for that.

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #170 on: July 03, 2018, 09:42:38 AM »
If you actually think someone is psychotic -- suffering from psychosis -- offer some kindness is preferable to making them the butt of a snarky comment because you don't like how a public plaza was designed. Psychosis is a symptom of severe mental illness and reportedly very scary to those who have gone through it.

Also, I'm cool with homeless people using public plazas because I recognize they are human beings.

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« Reply #171 on: July 03, 2018, 01:19:27 PM »
I wasn't making a snarky comment. Nor was I unkind to anyone. I’ve had several relatives with mental illness and know how devasting it can be. That said, I don't relish bringing my family to a place where they tend to congregate.  I’ve had several enounters with such people in the area of diversity plaza whose behavior borders on violent (i.e. spitting, screaming absenities, public urination). “Kindess” doesn't alter the symptoms or change the behavior of the mentally ill, although it’s nice to be nice to everyone in general.  Medications help only if patients are willing to take it.   The fact that such people congregate there has nothing to do with the design.  I don't find there to be any “design” to the plaza in particular. Putting down concrete with some plants/trees doesnt cut it for me. Especially at that price tag.  The tree pits are already filled with cigarrete buds and trash. Better such money should have been spent for outreach to aid the mentally ill.

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #172 on: July 05, 2018, 08:46:35 PM »
I wasn't making a snarky comment. Nor was I unkind to anyone. I’ve had several relatives with mental illness and know how devasting it can be. That said, I don't relish bringing my family to a place where they tend to congregate.  I’ve had several enounters with such people in the area of diversity plaza whose behavior borders on violent (i.e. spitting, screaming absenities, public urination). “Kindess” doesn't alter the symptoms or change the behavior of the mentally ill, although it’s nice to be nice to everyone in general.  Medications help only if patients are willing to take it.   The fact that such people congregate there has nothing to do with the design.  I don't find there to be any “design” to the plaza in particular. Putting down concrete with some plants/trees doesnt cut it for me. Especially at that price tag.  The tree pits are already filled with cigarrete buds and trash. Better such money should have been spent for outreach to aid the mentally ill.

I do agree that it is kind of outrageous just how much money was spent on this public plaza that looks like it was designed by someone who has no design skills.  As for the homeless that tend to congregate in this plaza, I'm not a big fan of bringing my family there personally, but I do realize that homeless people are people and they need to be able to integrate as best as they can into society.  It's a complicated subject for all parties involved.

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #173 on: July 13, 2018, 10:05:47 AM »
The dust is settling concerning the plaza.

1. But are the trees, which are very important for the plaza, already struggling? Are there any experts on the forum who can comment?

2. Ironically, the tall new development looming directly in the background actually creates a framework for the plaza, looking west.  In other words, unexpectedly, it makes the plaza more aesthetically attractive to be in.  And even might shade the area late in the day from the fierce summer sun.

This is an inadvertent benefit of the high-rise.  And completely unplanned and kind of, ironic.

3. The blue umbrellas and bright chairs do help enliven the space. And it's being kept more-or-less clean.

All-in-all,my conclusion now is that it's definitely a positive addition to the neighborhood.

And seems to be very popular.

Thank you to the city for the investment.


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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #175 on: July 20, 2018, 07:10:43 PM »
 Wasn’t diversity plaza in the design phase supposed to have a built-in performance space area? What happened to that? At least upon a glance it doesn’t seem to be there.

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #176 on: July 21, 2018, 04:50:10 AM »
BTW...this

http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2018/07/pedestrian-plazas-are-homeless-havens.html

What ever happened to the pay toilets? How are people supposed to live there without a toilet?

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #177 on: July 22, 2018, 02:52:36 PM »
BTW...this

http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2018/07/pedestrian-plazas-are-homeless-havens.html

What ever happened to the pay toilets? How are people supposed to live there without a toilet?

Don't ask...

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #178 on: July 22, 2018, 04:02:39 PM »
BTW...this

http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2018/07/pedestrian-plazas-are-homeless-havens.html

What ever happened to the pay toilets? How are people supposed to live there without a toilet?

Don't ask...

Pay toilets would indeed have been nice. (BTW, I'd have preferred free public toilets.) Until one or the other arrives, I'd like to invite all to add to the emerging Diversity Plaza User Guide on the Jackson Heights wiki. One category there is toilets. See https://wiki.jacksonheights.nyc/wiki/Diversity_Plaza. Be great to see both toilet locations and "tricks" to gain access: e.g., enter through the side door and make a quick right.

Best,

Tom

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #179 on: July 23, 2018, 02:29:37 PM »
If you actually think someone is psychotic -- suffering from psychosis -- offer some kindness is preferable to making them the butt of a snarky comment because you don't like how a public plaza was designed. Psychosis is a symptom of severe mental illness and reportedly very scary to those who have gone through it.

Also, I'm cool with homeless people using public plazas because I recognize they are human beings.

They do cause issues with the public plaza and the nearby subway entrance, though. Obviously I have no problem with homeless people in general, but with the ones who continuously harass people and behave violently, I have a big problem.

Before the redesign, there were certain homeless individuals who would harass me when I walked by (I'm a woman), follow me down into the subway sometimes, scream at people walking by, and pass out on the stairs so no one could get into the subway entrance. Their behavior is scary and honestly, unwelcome.

While the plaza was under construction, they disappeared and the homeless people who remained were pretty chill, the worst they did was pass out in the subway. But now that the plaza is back, so are the violent people who lived there before. In fact, I just saw the worst offender for the first time in months, drunk and barefoot and screaming in the plaza. So don't say that this isn't an issue, maybe you're a man and live without fear of random attacks, but I have seen them be violent before and now I have to change the subway entrance I use to go to work everyday. Very unfair and there is never any police presence nearby to keep things calm.