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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2009, 12:12:18 PM »
According to news radio this morning, the proposed plan to sell wine in supermarkets was killed as part of the budget deal reached in Albany over the weekend. I haven't been able to find any details online as to why it was rejected, or who specifically opposed it.

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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2009, 12:24:49 PM »

BTW - there already is a supermarket that sells wines in JH. in very limited quantity, but they do it. I dont know why and I'm not going to divulge because I like the people there.


I think some of the "wines" we see in super markets are classified as malt beverages and so they can be sold in super markets as if they were beer.
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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2009, 12:32:07 PM »
I think some of the "wines" we see in super markets are classified as malt beverages and so they can be sold in super markets as if they were beer.

I think they are classified as "wine products" and can be sold in supermarkets if the alcohol content is 5% or less. Basically, this is what allows supermarkets to sell malt liquor beverages, products like Zima, wine coolers, and "hard" apple cider. (A true wine typically has anywhere from 10 to 14% alcohol content.)

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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2009, 10:52:16 AM »
I am actively pursuing a venture opening a new store in JH, selling affordable quality wines, but I am waiting the outcome of this proposed law change.  I am hopeful that we will be selling wine & craft beer, along with food items to go with the beverages (IE nice cheeses.) If/when that happens, I hope you shop at my store instead of Trade Fair!



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Not yet.  We put the search on hold awaiting the outcome of this legislation but there are several empty store fronts available on 37th Ave. near 80th St. 

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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2009, 02:07:44 PM »
According to news radio this morning, the proposed plan to sell wine in supermarkets was killed as part of the budget deal reached in Albany over the weekend. I haven't been able to find any details online as to why it was rejected, or who specifically opposed it.

That's too bad. Since I grew up in states where all liquor could be purchased at a supermarket, I never understood why not wine. And the inability for a store to have more than one branch in the state is ludicrous. I love Trader Joe's wine store, but not lugging home wine from Union Square. And for the brief moment that Whole Foods had a wine store in Columbus circle was great - supermarkets with really great buyers, and brought in some unusual, tasty and inexpensive wines. Not to be too mean to the mom-n-pop liquor stores, but the wine selection is often very lacking - esp. if the focus is really more on the liquor than the wine.  And the liquor stores that do have a good wine buyer are punished by not being able to open up a second location.
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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2009, 07:59:31 PM »
I used to buy wine from Trader's Joe when I lived in California.  You couldn't beat their prices.  I also went to Liquor stores when I wanted real help in picking out wine.   I think NY has outdated liquor laws.
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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2010, 01:16:47 PM »
Here we go again.  According to the following article, Governor Patterson's proposed 2011 executive budget includes a new proposal that permits the sale of wine in grocery stores.

Broad Based Coalition Applauds Governor's Wine Industry and Liquor Store Revitalization Act

Since the last time we posted on this topic, there has been a change in the neighborhood with the addition of our new and popular wine shop, Table Wine on 37th Avenue.  Have feelings on the subject of supermarket sales changed because of this?  My preference would be to shop at a store offering personal assistance and expertise rather than grabbing a bottle of wine off a supermarket shelf.


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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2010, 01:36:06 PM »
I can't imagine the horrific selection that C-Town would have. :o

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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2010, 02:14:59 PM »
Here we go again.  According to the following article, Governor Patterson's proposed 2011 executive budget includes a new proposal that permits the sale of wine in grocery stores.
Broad Based Coalition Applauds Governor's Wine Industry and Liquor Store Revitalization Act

I'm sorry, but when you follow this link, what you are reading is a news release from a P.R. firm, not a true news article from an unbiased source.
(Just felt that needs to be pointed out... I've already expressed my dissenting opinion earlier in this thread.)

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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2010, 02:30:16 PM »
I don't know that supermarkets will necessarily compete with a well-done, personalized-service wine store, like Table Wine is. Since it takes me a good half-hour to walk to table wine and back - when I have guests over I sometimes have to stop at one of the less pleasant liquor stores and just grab a bottle of whatever's there (Yellowtail has often become a default table wine because of that).  Also, as far as hours go, Table Wine is not that easy for me - by the time I get home and take the dog out for a potty break, many neighborhood stores, including Table Wine are closed. (If it closes before 8:30-9, I'm not gonna make it most nights) If I could buy a half-decent bottle of wine at Trade Fair or another supermarket that is open (I don't know if the 24-hour Indian groceries near me would choose to sell wine) as I pick up something for dinner, I would greatly appreciate it.

I think that the  supermarkets will take some of the wine sales from liquor stores, but a well run wine store shouldn't have too much to fear. I know that where my parents live in Virginia, they often buy wine at Whole Foods or Harris Teeter supermarkets, but they also patronize Best Cellars in Arlington, which seems to do just fine despite the availability of wine in local supermarkets. http://www.bestcellars.com/aboutbc/stores_clarendon.cfm In many ways, Table Wine reminds me of Best Cellars in that there's a carefully chosen small selection of all-good, not-too-expensive wines - curating and organizing the selection makes all the difference in the world.
 
Table Wine seems to be doing the right thing - having tastings, explaining wines - building a community around its wine store. Plus, once supermarkets can sell wine, can't wine stores sell crackers, cheeses, and things that are frequently eaten with wine? Wouldn't it also allow them to sell specialty and crafted beers as well?

Here's another article about another VA-based wine store, The Curious Grape, which also exists quite nicely amongst thousands of supermarkets selling wine. (I point out VA since that's where I have experience with wine in Grocery Stores coexisting with wine stores...I know California does it too, and specialty wine stores are everywhere there)  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/14/AR2010011401618.html
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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2010, 02:34:04 PM »
The New York Daily News' Daily Politics section and Business Week also make mention of the Governor's proposal re: wine sales in grocery stores.  Unfortunately, it's just that... brief mentions of it being one of various income generating proposals.  By the way, legalizing mixed martial arts in the state is also included, but that's a topic for another thread.   :-X

Paterson's 2010-2011 Budget Proposal - Overview

N.Y.’s Paterson Proposes Spending Cuts to Bridge Gap

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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2010, 02:49:21 PM »
Marcus, thanks for sharing the article.  As someone who is not comfortably familiar with wines, vintages, food pairings, etc., I appreciate whatever help I can get in making a good selection, and the events at The Curious Grape make for good business sense IMHO.  I would imagine that this type of service almost guarantees that people in that store's vicinity will be drinking good wine more often.  Out local Table Wine seems to have started off on the right foot.
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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2010, 04:43:35 PM »
I guess the ideal scenario in my mind is to have locations that cater to just wine as well as the larger C-Town types for the quick stuff.  Much like you go to your pharmacy when you can, but Duane Reade at 1 a.m. because it's open?

Odds are, the supermarket won't be handling vintages and stuff the way the expert shops will.

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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2010, 05:08:09 PM »
I for one would love to see wine offered in grocery stores.  On a recent trip back home (Al.) I was surprised to see the great selection of wine and craft beer offered at one of their nicer grocery stores.  My feeling is that if someone is into vintage, hard to find wines they would not be interested in this type of venue and as far as advice on pairing wine with food and general advice about wine I have to tell you most wine stores I've been to are really not as educated about their product in other words many will just give a pat generalization...spicy/fruity/dry.  This is where an educated consumer is better off.  I am a firm believer is doing your research.  I have discovered that my tastes lean toward full- bodied reds with a hint of blackberry/cherry...in other words mostly a syrah, shiraz or cabernet sauvignon. Cheers!
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Re: Would you buy wine at your local supermarket?
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2010, 05:50:06 PM »
i would also love to see groceries enabled to sell wine. when i go back to visit my mom in ohio, we end up picking up wine at a grocery near her home, since the closest good wine store is out in the suburbs and we're inner city folk. the grocery runs the gamut from A to, say, L. in other words, from dirt-cheap stuff i can't drink to good, solid 20 dollar bottles. nothing too fancy, nothing obscure, but something for most occasions. and for what it's worth, contessa, my tastes in reds mirror yours. whites, i gravitate towards pinot blancs and pinot gris(es).