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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2018, 03:25:50 PM »
^Please show me where I insulted user Ed. Link please. I don't recall doing so. I think you are confusing my calling out of another board user's racist dog whistles as racist dog whistles.

FYI, there has also been nothing deceptive in my questions. I've been quite direct.
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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2018, 03:35:32 PM »
^Please show me where I insulted user Ed. Link please. I don't recall doing so. I think you are confusing my calling out of another board user's racist dog whistles as racist dog whistles.

... in solidarity with abc's post in reply to captain flannel insulting him/her abc on another thread, which was explained, but apparently you missed that.

This is getting boring. You insult people on this board, plain and simple. Quit pretending otherwise. Ed was not putting down/accusing other restaurants of anything. He named no other eateries. He was simply defending an establishment that he frequents. You are twisting his intentions to serve your own purposes.

I don't care about your opinions or whatever is bothering you. I don't engage in topics with you. It's your bullying that I dislike.

Find your own links.

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2018, 03:42:57 PM »
^you *are* engaging. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be engaging.

What insults of abc are you referring to? I've criticized behavior, which is different than an insult.

Additionally, perhaps if you were a back of house worker in the neighborhood restaurants (or owner) and someone suggested cleaning was not the norm, you'd understand why that could be seen as an affront.

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2018, 04:10:20 PM »
From the Department of Health:
"Violations recorded in the following area (s) and a Notice of Violation issued at the initial operational pre-permit inspection conducted on 03/09/2018.
"Critical" violations are displayed in red.
Violation points: 29
Sanitary Violations
1) Hot food item not held at or above 140º F.
2) Cold food item held above 41º F (smoked fish and reduced oxygen packaged foods above 38 ºF) except during necessary preparation.
3) Personal cleanliness inadequate. Outer garment soiled with possible contaminant. Effective hair restraint not worn in an area where food is prepared.
4) Wiping cloths soiled or not stored in sanitizing solution.
5) Proper sanitization not provided for utensil ware washing operation."
By the way, from this citation it looks like they closed the place under the old name and are trying to re-open under a similar name. Addictive Wine and Tapas' last inspection was in 2016 and was an A. This place is listed as ADDICTIVE WINE BAR & TAPAS 1.

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2018, 05:06:39 PM »
^without knowing specifics, reports don't tell you much. For example, the danger zone is food left at temperatures above 40 and below 180 (I think that's the range) for four hours and not thrown out, but without a time stamp on the food, the restaurant can't prove it hasn't been in the danger zone for four hours. (Think about a cheese plate.) Possible contaminate on an outer garment, is that a real issue or is it just some food splashed up on the line cook's Chef jacket or apron? Proper sanitization for wares not being followed could just be that the dishwasher needs to be trained to change the sanitizing solution in the sink a bit more (that's the three sink commercial set up - wash, rinse, sanitize, air dry).


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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2018, 12:55:43 PM »
For example, the danger zone is food left at temperatures above 40 and below 180 (I think that's the range) for four hours and not thrown out

It's not four hours.  Food has to be stored at a safe temperature unless it is currently being prepared, i.e. being chopped or sliced or diced or mixed or washed.  And the temperature range is under 41 or over 140.  Once the food is prepared it has to be in a cooler or heater at the proper temperature; it can't be left out in a non-temperature controlled display.  That is why all these pizzerias have signs on their slices saying "for illustration only" even though we well know they are going to serve the slice to the next customer who asks.  It's also why so many pizzerias get cited for minor violations all the time.

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2018, 01:53:54 PM »
Here is a more sensible explanation from another state

http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/fdd/fdd_fs_foodservice.htm

"Remember the danger zone: 41º F - 135º F. Potentially hazardous foods exposed to this temperature range for a cumulative total of more than 4 hours are not safe to eat."

DOH rules and what's actually unsafe are two separate things. Like, no one is flipping out at their Aunt's BBQ or getting food poisoning because the deviled eggs have been sitting out on the buffet for 40 minutes. A good example of how arbitrary DOH rules can be are fine dining establishments which many times will actually have procedures in place to shut down the line and toss X, Y & Z before the inspection begins (and the DOH allows it) because how high end food is prepared and served is different than some DOH rules. DOH violations can be rather arbitrary too (and some restaurants will challenge them), like the place I know who got dinged for lettuce for a salad being at an unsafe temperature when it was on a prep table to prepare a salad (the restaurant successfully challenged that one).

And then you look at this guidance from Australia, and they use a 2 hour/4 hour rule. 
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http://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/3dd213804376220b92dcdfc9302c1003/2+hour+4+hour+Rule+%28poster%29.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE-3dd213804376220b92dcdfc9302c1003-lGa44kg

Ultimately they all have the same goal - keeping people safe. Some governmental agencies air much, much farther on the side of safety than others. And it's worth keeping in mind when reading a report of DOH violations. (It's easier when you have or know someone who has earned a food protection certificate from the DOH.)
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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2018, 11:10:35 PM »
^I think I've been very clear in my question to you. How can I clarify it further?

You are after all, suggesting that most of the restaurant kitchens in the neighborhood you've seen have staff that don't clean, so I've clearly and directly asked you just how big a sample your experience represents.
I suggest you read my post more carefully. If what I wanted to say was "kitchens that have staff that don't clean" I would have said that. I didn't. What I said is very clearly stated in my original post, go ahead and copy and paste it if you are still having a hard time parsing it.

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2018, 07:39:39 AM »
Yes, I've read your original post. There is no doubt what you were saying. My question remains, which it appears you don't want to answer, is how big a sample your experience with spending time in neighborhood restaurant kitchens to observe how clean the back of house staff is, in order to determine how much weight I or anyone else should give your experience and stated observation about neighborhood restaurant's cleanliness.

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This is the only place I've seen in the neighborhood that the back of house staff actually take a few minutes of their down time, in between orders coming into to the kitchen area, to actually police and wipe down their work area and equipment without anyone actually telling them to do so.

« Last Edit: April 04, 2018, 07:58:58 AM by CaptainFlannel »

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2018, 10:45:17 AM »

Dear JHResident,

First, I wanted to said we didn't "re-open" under Addictive Wine & Tapas 1", we opened a new, bigger wine bar to accommodate our growing customers. Yes, we did get an A on the smaller wine bar in 2016. That hasn't changed. The city have not been back for a new inspection. And for your information, we didn't "CLOSED" the small wine and tapas, we made some small changes on the interior to make it suitable for events.
On a businee perspective, I don't want to have two businesses under the same name. Therefore, we rename to Addictive 87. It's now an Event Space and Fine Dining.

As for the recent inspection, it was a preliminary inspection. They did not issue us a grade. They will be back for actual inspection. If you have been to my wine bar, you know we have an open kitchen concept. Seating by the kitchen bar, you will see through the windows my chefs are working and preparing tapas with fully gloved. Sanitary has always and will always be our number one priority. One thing I have learned about Department of Health inspections is that even if you get an A grade, you still responsible for certains minor violation here and there. On 03/09/2018 when the inspector came, it was an extreme busy night, we just emptied out the table wipe bucket and refilled with fresh water as the inspector walked in, we didn't get a chance to properly add sanitize liquid to the water. Another instance, my bartender just started his shift for the night and he walked pass the kitchen area to get to the bar, and that was a 5 point deduction.

I normally don't posts on Jacksonheightslife, but I am glad I did see this post today. It is a restaurant owner and responsibility to maintain a clean and healthy environment for the public and certainly we live up to that in all account. Thank you for all the coments being post here. I am sure many of you have dined at my wine bar and you see how we run our restaurant. Your expectation is our priority and we hope you see that through us.

Thank you. 
Patrick


From the Department of Health:
"Violations recorded in the following area (s) and a Notice of Violation issued at the initial operational pre-permit inspection conducted on 03/09/2018.
"Critical" violations are displayed in red.
Violation points: 29
Sanitary Violations
1) Hot food item not held at or above 140º F.
2) Cold food item held above 41º F (smoked fish and reduced oxygen packaged foods above 38 ºF) except during necessary preparation.
3) Personal cleanliness inadequate. Outer garment soiled with possible contaminant. Effective hair restraint not worn in an area where food is prepared.
4) Wiping cloths soiled or not stored in sanitizing solution.
5) Proper sanitization not provided for utensil ware washing operation."
By the way, from this citation it looks like they closed the place under the old name and are trying to re-open under a similar name. Addictive Wine and Tapas' last inspection was in 2016 and was an A. This place is listed as ADDICTIVE WINE BAR & TAPAS 1.
Addictive Boutique Winery
3262 87th Street (corner of Northern Blvd)
East Elmhurst, NY 11369

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2018, 11:50:15 PM »
DOH finally came tonight for the Inspection. We are the A team!  ;D





Dear JHResident,

First, I wanted to said we didn't "re-open" under Addictive Wine & Tapas 1", we opened a new, bigger wine bar to accommodate our growing customers. Yes, we did get an A on the smaller wine bar in 2016. That hasn't changed. The city have not been back for a new inspection. And for your information, we didn't "CLOSED" the small wine and tapas, we made some small changes on the interior to make it suitable for events.
On a businee perspective, I don't want to have two businesses under the same name. Therefore, we rename to Addictive 87. It's now an Event Space and Fine Dining.

As for the recent inspection, it was a preliminary inspection. They did not issue us a grade. They will be back for actual inspection. If you have been to my wine bar, you know we have an open kitchen concept. Seating by the kitchen bar, you will see through the windows my chefs are working and preparing tapas with fully gloved. Sanitary has always and will always be our number one priority. One thing I have learned about Department of Health inspections is that even if you get an A grade, you still responsible for certains minor violation here and there. On 03/09/2018 when the inspector came, it was an extreme busy night, we just emptied out the table wipe bucket and refilled with fresh water as the inspector walked in, we didn't get a chance to properly add sanitize liquid to the water. Another instance, my bartender just started his shift for the night and he walked pass the kitchen area to get to the bar, and that was a 5 point deduction.

I normally don't posts on Jacksonheightslife, but I am glad I did see this post today. It is a restaurant owner and responsibility to maintain a clean and healthy environment for the public and certainly we live up to that in all account. Thank you for all the coments being post here. I am sure many of you have dined at my wine bar and you see how we run our restaurant. Your expectation is our priority and we hope you see that through us.

Thank you. 
Patrick


From the Department of Health:
"Violations recorded in the following area (s) and a Notice of Violation issued at the initial operational pre-permit inspection conducted on 03/09/2018.
"Critical" violations are displayed in red.
Violation points: 29
Sanitary Violations
1) Hot food item not held at or above 140º F.
2) Cold food item held above 41º F (smoked fish and reduced oxygen packaged foods above 38 ºF) except during necessary preparation.
3) Personal cleanliness inadequate. Outer garment soiled with possible contaminant. Effective hair restraint not worn in an area where food is prepared.
4) Wiping cloths soiled or not stored in sanitizing solution.
5) Proper sanitization not provided for utensil ware washing operation."
By the way, from this citation it looks like they closed the place under the old name and are trying to re-open under a similar name. Addictive Wine and Tapas' last inspection was in 2016 and was an A. This place is listed as ADDICTIVE WINE BAR & TAPAS 1.
Addictive Boutique Winery
3262 87th Street (corner of Northern Blvd)
East Elmhurst, NY 11369

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2018, 11:15:44 PM »
Go team!

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2018, 12:39:25 PM »
Way to go Patrick and AB team! A perfect way to end to this unnecessarily harsh thread.

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Re: Additcive and the DOH
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2018, 12:50:40 PM »
Thanks guys!

Way to go Patrick and AB team! A perfect way to end to this unnecessarily harsh thread.
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East Elmhurst, NY 11369