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Do you plan to use the facilities at Diversity Plaza once it is done?

Yes, I plan to sit, eat, read a paper, use the internet
13 (23.2%)
Yes, to walk pass it on the way to the subway
16 (28.6%)
No, I will try to avoid the area as too many homeless
5 (8.9%)
No, I think it a waste of 5 million of taxpayers money
22 (39.3%)

Total Members Voted: 56

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Offline Alfster

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2018, 08:40:42 PM »
Quote from: JK resident on March 29, 2018, 05:30:15 PM
Dromm in his infinite wisdom pressured sanitation to remove the trash cans on 37th Ave and 73rd and 74th Street. Now the cups of tea and coffee litter the street and when a shop owner put out a garbage can to collect the mess he was fined. He then removed the can and trash continues to litter the street. This whole problem was created by Dromm who decided the shop owners and residents don’t deserve simple trash cans on 37th Ave. Don’t expect it to improve until Dromm’s  term is over.

As for saying the people posting are trolls, it seems when people disagree with your point of view you accuse they of being trolls.

To improve the overall cleanliness of the area there should be more trash bins and they should be frequently emptied by Sanitation.  Hmm, perhaps some people from The Doe Fund should be working in the area to help keep the neighborhood clean as well. 

Dromm is a terrible politician who simply is ineffectual and doesn't seem to care about our community.   :'(
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Offline Alfster

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2018, 10:31:20 PM »
Quote from: JK resident on March 21, 2018, 07:25:21 AM
This area has always been home to homeless, prostitution and day laborers. That is only likely to increase because plans are to include a bathroom in the plaza. Also because there are nearby food carts and the tables and chairs this is likely to be a area full of white styrofoam containers with some food left over. Public plazas work only if you have civilized citizens that use the tables and clean up after themselves. That is why they work in Manhattan. This closure of the street was made basically to disrupt the cars making a left turn onto 74th Street to alleviate the traffic of Indian stores. Nobody really likes to hang out in such filthy surroundings.

You do have a good point.  People who use a public plaza should respect it.  They should clean after themselves and take pride in it.  It's cost the city significant monies to plan, design, and build Diversity Plaza.  I'm not a fan of it overall, but people should at least not trash the area.  Ultimately, a more frequent police presence and a constant sanitation employee should be permanently deployed in this area, and, perhaps a street sweeper for good measure.
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Offline Alfster

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2018, 10:46:10 PM »
Quote from: Sky23 on March 29, 2018, 09:14:57 AM
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Public plazas work only if you have civilized citizens that use the tables and clean up after themselves.
Racist troll is racist.

Facts can't be racist. Civilized citizens aren't a certain race but some cultures don't care about environmental consciousness as much as others.

I don't see any racist post here.  If people are slobs and don't clean up after themselves should they be allowed to use the public plaza?  Anyone can be a slow, regardless of race.
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Offline Alfster

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2018, 11:11:23 PM »
Does anyone else thing that the overall design of Diversity Plaza is on the ugly side? 
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2018, 06:55:44 AM »
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I don't see any racist post here.

Then you aren't very good at identifying subtext.

On a separate note, have you considering writing one post instead four?
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2018, 08:54:54 AM »
There are several issues to consider here, but I really can't see what is going to change once the plaza is completed.  It was no place I would have brought my family.  It was dominated almost exclusively by men, many of which were unsavory characters...homeless,  mentally disturbed, drug addicts, alcoholics all set up residence there.   The plaza and surrounding streets were/is  pretty much filthy.  Few, if any of the store owners clean the outside of their stores. Several months ago I saw a restaurant owner dump  pots of cooked food in one of the tree surrounds on 74th street (buffet time for the rats).  There are no trash cans on the surrounding blocks in question because of all the illegal SRO's.  Most of the cans overflowing are due to the fact that people dump their garbage from home in them, thus cumulatively adding to the garbage. Finally, there are the "out of towners" who swarm to the neighborhood to shop.  Double parked cars block  traffic and cause an incredible amount of car horn beeping, fumes and yes.... garbage as well. Most of these issues have been ignored because the store owners do not want enforcement as it will detract people from coming to the neighborhood to shop. In that respect, I think  local politicians have dropped the ball.  If this is to be successful, there needs to be consistent monitoring and enforcement.
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Offline Lilybell

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2018, 09:00:53 AM »
LOL, what's with the sock puppet accounts replying to each other? 
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2018, 09:15:35 AM »
You see a lot of responses, because most of us see it an enormous waste of tax payer money.    It’s fristrating when the $ could have been advocated for something else in the neighborhood as opposed to a photo op for local politicians.

I walked by this morning. The construction pit is already completely filled with cigarette butts and empty coffee cups all along the orange perimeter fence.
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2018, 10:50:54 AM »
Quote from: daisy on March 21, 2018, 11:53:00 PM
I honestly don't have much faith this plaza will stay clean. The majority of Jackson Heights has trash strewn on many sidewalks in the commercial area, and it does spill over to 35 Avenue as well. It's really frustrating how people just throw trash all over. And the red spitting all over the rest of Jack Hts will dirty the new plaza pretty quickly. Add to that the homeless that hang out on the stairwell, plus what others have mentioned, and I just don't see this plaza staying nice for long. Especially without conscientious people milling about and sanitation workers assigned to it.

What is red spitting?
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2018, 10:52:43 AM »
Quote from: CaptainFlannel on March 28, 2018, 02:47:24 PM
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Public plazas work only if you have civilized citizens that use the tables and clean up after themselves.
Racist troll is racist.

I see nothing racist about what he/she said.
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Offline CaptainFlannel

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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2018, 11:09:32 AM »
^Then you aren't very good at identifying subtext.
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2018, 12:44:31 PM »
Quote from: CaptainFlannel on March 30, 2018, 11:09:32 AM
^Then you aren't very good at identifying subtext.

There's really no need to pull out the race card so quick.
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2018, 01:06:30 PM »
^racist apologist is racist.

There was nothing quick about it. This thread is filled with some incredibly dehumanizing language. If you missed it, you're really, really bad at subtext.
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2018, 01:39:03 PM »
agreed, Captain Flannel:

with all those whistles, i'm surprised every dog in the neighborhood didn't start howling.
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Re: Work commencing on Diversity Plaza
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2018, 05:27:57 PM »
Silly hypersensitive people want to claim the other is racist because they do not accept to live with 3rd world sanitation standards. Few remember the how clean the area used to be in the 1970’s. If you go to midtown Manhattan and operate a business in these manners, you would shut down in a week. Here because we live in the outer borough of Queens we have to be subjected to this Kabuki theatre of our local politicians showing us the plans of this Plaza and expect us to fawn over them as if we just saw the world of wonder. The bar is set so low and we all go to different parts of NYC where residents really have a quality of life.
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