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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #390 on: June 26, 2016, 09:05:24 PM »
At the meeting before the last one on noise, the PA promised to put in decibel monitors.  I have yet to see them.  Also with these planes flying so close to us what is the air quality lie- os anyone measuring that?

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #391 on: June 27, 2016, 12:53:34 PM »
There are decibel monitors on 78th and 30th ave. and 78th and 34th ave. Did you mean new ones?

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #392 on: June 27, 2016, 05:55:23 PM »
Yesterday, the LGA noise exposure map was released.
See the notice from QUEENS QUIET SKIES below...

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The Part 150 study has reached its definitive stage and our draft noise exposure map will be unveiled at the next LGA technical meeting on Tuesday, June 21st at 1PM.
This map will be the basis of any noise abatement plan we may receive. The map is a first draft and could be revised if sufficient public input is received. There is limited time to assess the map, review the methods used and submit comments. Representatives from the aviation industry will also be in attendance and likely to submit well crafted comments of their own.
Once the map is approved by the FAA, there will be no recourse. Now is the time to scrutinize the map.
I have attached the most recent Noise Exposure Map here, prepared in 2013. The LGA technical group forum is open to the public.
Dates: Tuesday, June 21, 2016
Title: LGA TAC Meeting No. 7
Description: LOCATION: LaGuardia Airport, Hangar 7 Center, 3rd Floor, Flushing, NY 11371
Times: 1:00PM – 4:00PM

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The situation can only be changed if public input is received. However, the map was solely on view, from what I gather, for 3 hours.  From 1pm to 4pm. On a Tuesday.  In a hangar.  At LGA airport.

When everyone was at work. And so of course, probably very few folks were able to see it.  I certainly couldn't. And it is not available anywhere online, as far as I can determine.

I do not trust the authorities.  I believe they rely on folks' apathy to sneak through their airplane noise polluting and neighborhood destroying agenda.   

Did anyone see that map?

On it is our future.

Is this true. If so complete BS. Shouldn't there be a website so the people affected could comment? Oh wait I forgot that someone might actually give a toss.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #393 on: June 28, 2016, 03:22:39 PM »
I believe this is the link to the preliminary study map:
file:///Users/201200/Downloads/LGA%20TAC%20Meeting%20No.%207%20Presentation%20-%20June%2021,%202016.pdf

If I'm getting this right, they are claiming that the area affected won't change much. But I didn't have time to look closely.




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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #394 on: June 29, 2016, 11:02:48 AM »
The projected map for future airplane noise is on the Authority site.

Here...

http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_TAC.asp

Click on June 21st 2016

From what I figure Jackson Heights seems to have missed out on the bulk of the noise (except of course when they change routes due to working on runways and drive us insane which is not mentioned on the maps.  Much like subways services are altered during weekends... the changes aren't formalized.)

But swathes of neighborhoods from Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx are projected in 2021 to be in noise affected zones of 55+ decibels. Greenpoint, East Williamsburg, Sunnyside, Rego Park etc...

That's = constant conversation in restaurant, office, background music, Air conditioning unit at 100 feet.

Check it out...
« Last Edit: June 29, 2016, 11:21:13 AM by abcdefghijk »

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #395 on: July 02, 2016, 02:41:22 AM »
2:20am. Good morning everyone

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #396 on: July 02, 2016, 02:48:32 AM »
And still going at 2:47am

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #397 on: July 02, 2016, 05:34:15 AM »
2:20am. Good morning everyone
Good morning to you too!
Five in a row starting at 2:18AM.
Then another came in for a landing at about 2:30.
I guess an airport curfew is not the same as a law.
Hard to get back to sleep after that. PANYNJ should at least issue an apology, like the MTA does "...We are sorry for any inconvenience" [like taking away your family's sleep]

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #398 on: July 02, 2016, 11:42:43 AM »
Would that have been backlog from last night's storms, which I think affected the local airports?

Kind of scary when something roars overhead in the small hours!

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #399 on: July 02, 2016, 12:12:34 PM »
If any other neighbor caused such an explosion of noise in the middle of the night like that...the police would immediately be called to stop them.  Is that what we should do?

Folks will say it's useless.  But it will show the Authorities they cannot treat tax-paying folks like that. And let them know we will not stand for it.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #400 on: July 02, 2016, 12:17:30 PM »
Would that have been backlog from last night's storms, which I think affected the local airports?
I think HagsRUs is right about the flights after the big storm. They were likely waiting it out in other cities and didn't want to leave passengers stranded.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #401 on: July 02, 2016, 01:28:46 PM »
Psychologically...it's called "enabling" when you find excuses for folks when they do the wrong thing.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #402 on: July 02, 2016, 02:39:26 PM »
so should planes be required to hover in mid air without fuel? or should they land, after hours in other airports not near you?

those are the options. they cannot merely be willed into non-existence.

If any other neighbor caused such an explosion of noise in the middle of the night like that...the police would immediately be called to stop them.  Is that what we should do?

Folks will say it's useless.  But it will show the Authorities they cannot treat tax-paying folks like that. And let them know we will not stand for it.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #403 on: July 02, 2016, 02:54:59 PM »
so should planes be required to hover in mid air without fuel? or should they land, after hours in other airports not near you?

those are the options. they cannot merely be willed into non-existence.

If any other neighbor caused such an explosion of noise in the middle of the night like that...the police would immediately be called to stop them.  Is that what we should do?

Folks will say it's useless.  But it will show the Authorities they cannot treat tax-paying folks like that. And let them know we will not stand for it.

I believe there are things they can do, at least for arriving flights.  I was on a late night flight coming back from Chicago, headed for LGA.  We kept getting delayed on the runway.  One of the announcements they made was that the plane was going to have to change its flight plan to land at Newark instead of LGA, due to overnight curfew at LGA, and passengers should start making plans to get picked up at Newark as opposed to LGA.

I was really unhappy about that, given a cab from LGA to my home is $15 and from Newark more like $90 or $100, but there wasn't much I could do.  In the end, we did end up taking off shortly after they made that announcement, and we were able to land at LGA within the curfew.

Not sure there is much they can do about departing flights that were already boarded and are just sitting on the runway waiting out the storm.

Btw, I still put in a complaint about the flights at 2:20 am, because I feel it's a slippery slope.  If they do it a few times and don't receive complaints, well, then maybe the curfew would be magically lifted as it would seem no one is bothered by the noise.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #404 on: July 02, 2016, 03:02:54 PM »
I have no doubt NYC needs a 24 hour airport.  None whatsoever. Absolutely we do.

We are a major world hub.

We should be very careful to not enable LGA to be that airport.

Because eventually, not far in the future, there will be planes in the air hovering 24/7...wanting to land in NYC.

And are we still expected to accommodate them 24/7?

Shelby2 is right. One day, magically, the curfew will disappear...due to "planes hovering in the air 24/7"...
LGA is being expanded...NYC needs a 24/7 airport...it's a good idea for us to be vigilant and not "enable".