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Offline Notirk

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #375 on: June 18, 2016, 04:49:40 PM »
Quote from: jasonic on June 18, 2016, 09:55:23 AM
To those who say to move if you don't like it must not live directly under the path (76/77). It's like they're landing in your living room.

Why not do it during weekday when most people are at work. All these complaints seen to fall on deaf ears and I'm sick of it.

I live on 77, so I feel your pain.

At the town hall on this last year (with Dromm, Peralta, Crowley), I think the Port Authority said they didn't do it on week days for two reasons: there is a lot more flight traffic on weekdays causing even more frequent noise, and it would severely disrupt school because it is hard to teach during the noise (although, school is wrapping up for the year shortly...).
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #376 on: June 19, 2016, 06:26:54 AM »
For the record, the earliest I heard on June 18 was 6am; it wen't on until 00:34 on June 19. It started again on the morning of June 19, 6am sharp.

Complaint form (can't hurt, don't give up):
http://www.planenoise.com/panynj/daPRAbr9/

Andrew Cuomo: https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form
Senator Jose Peralta: jperalta@nysenate.gov
https://www.governor.ny.gov/content/governor-contact-form
Assembly Member Michael DenDekker: http://nyassembly.gov/mem/Michael-G-DenDekker/contact/
Assembly Member Francisco Moya: http://nyassembly.gov/mem/Francisco-P-Moya/contact/
Congressman Joseph Crowley: https://crowley.house.gov/contact-me/email-me


It's above Daniel Dromm's sphere, but he's been great in getting people on the table, so doesn't hurt asking him:
Daniel Dromm: http://council.nyc.gov/d25/html/members/contact.shtml

I think a few things we all should ask are:
1. for a clarity and a study of how the planned LGA expansion will affect plane noise on our neighborhoods
2. Compensation for the neighborhoods that bear the brunt in the form of quality of life investments (I want a fraction of the fee paid by every single plane that lands at LGA invested in NW Queens in the form of parks and schools (sound-proof windows) for as long as the airport sits near us.
3. Installation of noise monitoring equipment so we have a database and a can create a high resolution map of the areas affect and how bad it is. (Currently there are two or three monitors, I think. There should be at least 30, in a grid.)
4. Cuomo for a town hall here (don't think he's coming, but can't hurt to ask)
 


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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #377 on: June 19, 2016, 06:51:18 AM »
In case this inspires you, this is what I'm asking these pols to do:

1. Demand a very clear study of how the planned LGA expansion will affect plane noise in Northwestern Queens; create a clear, early and effective channel of communication.

2. Demand a $1 fee from every passenger using LaGuardia to be invested in quality of life issues in the neighborhoods that bear the brunt: Jackson Heights, East Elmhurst, Elmhurst, Woodside, Flushing and Corona. If we will bare this noise, I want pristine parks, pristine schools and pristine public transportation infrastructure.

3. Instal noise monitoring equipment so we have a database and a can create a high resolution map of the areas affected.
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #378 on: June 19, 2016, 08:07:20 AM »
I live on 76th and today especially it was bad :/ It feels like they're flying lower than before.
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #379 on: June 19, 2016, 12:50:49 PM »
Some of the posters seem to imagine the Authorities give a damn about the plane noise over us.

I am under no such illusion.

After much thinking about this issue...I believe that most likely the sole real recourse is a class action demanding sound proofing of the apartments of all residents affected.

Paid for by the FAA...(the Federal Aviation Administration).

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #380 on: June 19, 2016, 03:01:07 PM »
i would sign that petition, early and often.

seriously, soundproofing is something we can conceivably get done. and something we should push for.

Quote from: abcdefghijk on June 19, 2016, 12:50:49 PM
Some of the posters seem to imagine the Authorities give a damn about the plane noise over us.

I am under no such illusion.

After much thinking about this issue...I believe that most likely the sole real recourse is a class action demanding sound proofing of the apartments of all residents affected.

Paid for by the FAA...(ththate Federal Aviation Administration).
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #381 on: June 20, 2016, 01:47:58 PM »
My ears straight up hurt if I went outside this weekend. Felt bad for my kids. Was fine after they switched from takeoffs on 22 to landings on 4 mid-day Sunday. Really, the landings are no big whoop, engines are nearly off, just a low, tolerable roar. I think takeoffs from 22 (the southbound runway that throws them over JH) should be prohibited.
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #382 on: June 21, 2016, 03:57:54 PM »
I continue to be astonished that folks on this site seem to think the authorities (the FAA)...care two hoots about what we want...or if we suffer...

Now, apparently a very important map of future flight paths to/from LGA was released today.

Has anyone seen it...or have a link to where it is?

Because on this map...will be our future here in Jackson Heights to do with airplane noise foretold.











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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #383 on: June 21, 2016, 04:35:01 PM »
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #384 on: June 22, 2016, 10:40:18 AM »
Yesterday, the LGA noise exposure map was released.
See the notice from QUEENS QUIET SKIES below...

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The Part 150 study has reached its definitive stage and our draft noise exposure map will be unveiled at the next LGA technical meeting on Tuesday, June 21st at 1PM.
This map will be the basis of any noise abatement plan we may receive. The map is a first draft and could be revised if sufficient public input is received. There is limited time to assess the map, review the methods used and submit comments. Representatives from the aviation industry will also be in attendance and likely to submit well crafted comments of their own.
Once the map is approved by the FAA, there will be no recourse. Now is the time to scrutinize the map.
I have attached the most recent Noise Exposure Map here, prepared in 2013. The LGA technical group forum is open to the public.
Dates: Tuesday, June 21, 2016
Title: LGA TAC Meeting No. 7
Description: LOCATION: LaGuardia Airport, Hangar 7 Center, 3rd Floor, Flushing, NY 11371
Times: 1:00PM – 4:00PM

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The situation can only be changed if public input is received. However, the map was solely on view, from what I gather, for 3 hours.  From 1pm to 4pm. On a Tuesday.  In a hangar.  At LGA airport.

When everyone was at work. And so of course, probably very few folks were able to see it.  I certainly couldn't. And it is not available anywhere online, as far as I can determine.

I do not trust the authorities.  I believe they rely on folks' apathy to sneak through their airplane noise polluting and neighborhood destroying agenda.   

Did anyone see that map?

On it is our future.
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #385 on: June 23, 2016, 11:02:42 AM »
I message I just got re: this noise study:

"Thank you for your interest in the 14 CFR Part 150 Noise Compatibility Study for LGA  Airport. Information about the progress of this study can be found on the project’s website. We encourage you to visit this site periodically for all updates and announcements: http://panynjpart150.com/
 
Presentations and notes from the LGA Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) meetings are posted to the project’s website under its document section: http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_documents.asp
 
The June 21, 2016 LGA TAC meeting presentation, which includes the airport’s draft Noise Exposure Maps (NEMs), will be posted to the website by early next week. Please check the site then to view this document."

This is their email
NYPART150STUDIES@panynj.gov

NY Part 150 Studies
Aviation Noise Office
The Port Authority of NY & NJ
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #386 on: June 23, 2016, 11:30:10 AM »
Thanks.
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #387 on: June 23, 2016, 01:46:20 PM »
You can join their mailing list to receive project updates:
http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_Mail_List.asp

Here more info about what kind of stuff you will be getting if you join the mailing list:
http://panynjpart150.com/LGA_homepage.asp


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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #388 on: June 24, 2016, 03:21:40 PM »
Runway 4-22 is closed for work much of this weekend, which is good for JH.
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #389 on: June 25, 2016, 10:24:01 AM »
and when repairs move to one or the other of the runways, they usually last a few weeks -- meaning we are likely to get a break (and, for 22, at least, put the bulk of the noise over the waterfront neighborhoods of the bronx, i believe).

if the work has moved, perhaps that means this round of repairs is complete, which could make life more pleasant for a while.
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