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Offline Shelby2

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7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« on: March 14, 2014, 11:40:16 AM »
The 7 train extension to 34th St. is now scheduled to be open by late summer or early fall.  With the 7 terminal station being moved from 42nd to 34th, how do you anticipate this will affect your commute?  Is the extension a bonus for anyone living in JH or mainly only the people who will live/work in the Hudson Yards area?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_Subway_Extension
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Offline dssjh

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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2014, 03:06:52 PM »
i don't see a whole lot of benefit for anyone other than those who already work in that area. there're no trains to transfer to at 11th and 34th, it's a few blocks south of the live music venues along 11th in the high forties/low fifties and a few blocks north of the art galleries in chelsea. it's mainly designed to placate the eventual buyers of the seven-eight figure condos that will be built on the hudson yards plot.
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Offline Brook Lynn

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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2014, 03:40:40 PM »
I think it's mostly for the area residents/workers. I don't think it will change my commute at all.

Although I live closer to the 7 at 82nd than I do 74th Street, I rarely take the 7. I've found that it's usually faster to go to 74th Street and take the express trains into Manhattan. If 74th-Roosevelt ever becomes a 7 Express train stop, that might be helpful for the commute into/out of Manhattan. I'm surprised that it's not already an express stop, considering that it's a transit hub for the area.


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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2014, 03:59:17 PM »
It will feel very different with Times Square no longer being the terminus.  I know I'll get a seat there for the trip home at night.  Will be good for the occasional trip to Javits.
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 05:15:34 PM »
Yeah, it will make the trip to Javits a breeze, so all the trade shows will be more accessible. And thus, my life gets easier....
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 06:16:56 PM »
A longer extension to 14th street would make more sense.  Regardless, it will help my commute.  It's a hike from 11th to the E.
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2014, 11:13:11 PM »
Some commuters may experience benefits, others detriments. The reality is that these infrastructure projects are greenlighted based on real estate interests, not on commuter interests. Any benefits for commuters are incidental. Which is not to say these benefits or detriments are not real; they're just not the point. The same goes for East Side Access, the Second Avenue Line, and the iffy 7 train extension to Secaucus, etc. These projects are pitched to the public as transportation initiatives, but they are at the core real estate projects. We will all find these to either facilitate or burden our trips. And the merits of the actual plans--in terms of long-term, large-scale development and speculation--can be debated. The point is to recognize these projects for what they actually are.
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2014, 10:18:37 AM »
Quote from: 83Street on March 14, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
Some commuters may experience benefits, others detriments. The reality is that these infrastructure projects are greenlighted based on real estate interests, not on commuter interests. ...The point is to recognize these projects for what they actually are.
Purpose and intent matter to me. Transportation initiatives can have extreme consequences. Thank you for the knowledgeable post.
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 10:44:10 AM »
A question.  Hasn't that always been the story of subway expansion...for over 100 years now?

They built the subway...and then development exploded to where it went. 

Folks, isn't our very own Jackson Heights a prime example of that?...According to Daniel Karatzas' book on Jackson Heights...that's exactly what happened here...(and everywhere else in NYC, no doubt)
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2014, 12:45:08 PM »
Two words: High Line!

The #7 extension will provide us with excellent access to the Hudson River waterfront, and once the third phase of the High Line is finished, direct access to the northern terminus of that as well.

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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2014, 03:36:50 PM »
in a sense, yes, but it does seem to be a bit different these days.

having studied NYC history, i think past expansions have been something like you described. this one is more like a developer/developers promising to build huge projects --without paying taxes, of course -- and then leaning on politicians to green light an expansion of the subway. 50-75 years ago, there was more of an organic expansion, this was planned out, signed, sealed and delivered before that tunnel got underway.

 
Quote from: JIF on March 15, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
A question.  Hasn't that always been the story of subway expansion...for over 100 years now?

They built the subway...and then development exploded to where it went. 

Folks, isn't our very own Jackson Heights a prime example of that?...According to Daniel Karatzas' book on Jackson Heights...that's exactly what happened here...(and everywhere else in NYC, no doubt)
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2014, 04:48:35 PM »
I think that's the first time I've heard Robert Moses' machinations described as "organic"...
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2014, 08:29:21 PM »
"in a sense, yes, but it does seem to be a bit different these days".

My guess is that it was exactly the same as now... in ye olde days...and that the original real estate developer of Jackson Heights, Edward MacDougall...had strong links to City Hall to influence where the subway went...which is why there is an express stop here...(I believe Karatzas' Jackson Heights book alludes to that between the lines...)

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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2014, 10:29:03 PM »
Quote from: Ed on March 15, 2014, 04:48:35 PM
I think that's the first time I've heard Robert Moses' machinations described as "organic"...

Actually, I believe Moses would have fought tooth and nail against far reaching public transport, as it would bring the wrong element in. He fought to make NYC a car town, hence his destroying south Brooklyn with the bqe, uprooting the entire neighborhood of laurel hill and trying but failing to eliminate canal street entirely to create a crosstown 'expressway.'
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Re: 7 train extension to 34th St. and 11th Ave
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 05:36:01 PM »
Huh.. So they are closing the 42nd street 7 stop and moving it to 34th? Wonder why they don't just leave that stop there. Interesting...
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