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Offline smok

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Novo Restaurant
« on: January 13, 2008, 02:06:42 PM »
I really like Novo's, don't get me wrong. But I used to go there more when it was more affordable. As they have gotten more popular, they have raised prices (makes sense - supply/demand of course) and it's the only classy-ish sort of lounge in the neighborhood. You used to be able to get decent sized appetizers and drinks without breaking the budget, which meant you could go a few times a week. Now it's more of a special occasion place for me, which is fine, but nothing has replaced it as an AFFORDABLE, nice, neighborhood bar where you can hang comfortably with friends. I would even try Texas BBQ if they had some lounge chairs and you didn't feel like you had to leave after you had dinner. Does anybody agree? And are there other options out there?
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Re: Is Novo's getting too expensive?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 09:49:36 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this listserv but have lived in JH for a few years.  I have to completely agree with this post that prices at Novo have risen dramatically in the last year or two.  Novo used to have more typical JH prices but now has Manhattan prices.  But what is one to do?  Obviously there is less flexibility over pricing at a place like Starbucks but can we have a nice neighborhood place like Novo, Espresso 77, Rudy Volcano and others but maintain JH prices?

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Re: Is Novo's getting too expensive?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2008, 03:30:20 PM »
I haven't been to Novo's in a while, but ordered a burger from there last week (which isn't even on the menu) and it was amazing. best burger I've had in a long time.

Now if they would only renovate, get new furniture and get rid of the old drunk guy who is always at the bar!

BTW, I don't think it's overpriced. Before that burger I would have said they were, though.
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Re: Is Novo's getting too expensive?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2008, 04:25:44 PM »
okay, i gotta agree again!  the burger at novo is DELICIOUS.  now, this is my beef (no pun intended), yes, the burger is not on the menu b/c it's too cheap!  maybe it's on the lunch menu but it's certainly not on the dinner menu.  also, what happened to the ribs - they were delicious too!

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Re: Is Novo's getting too expensive?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2008, 04:58:59 PM »
I haven't been to Novo's in a while, but ordered a burger from there last week (which isn't even on the menu) and it was amazing. best burger I've had in a long time.

Now if they would only renovate, get new furniture and get rid of the old drunk guy who is always at the bar!

BTW, I don't think it's overpriced. Before that burger I would have said they were, though.


Not only the furniture, but, somehow, the way it's arranged.

Not sure they're going to get rid of an "old, drunk guy" if he pays and isn't bothering anyone, beyond being an eyesore.

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Re: Is Novo's getting too expensive?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2008, 08:40:31 PM »
Not meaning to threadjack smok, but while we're on the topic of increasing prices in our neighborhood's eateries, has anyone noticed that Lety's Bakery has substantially increased their prices on their baked goods?  I went in the other day to only walk right out when I saw that an eclair was priced at $4.50!  :o  Comparatively speaking, an eclair at Cannelle sells for $2.00.

My husband and I chatted with Burak, the store manager at Cannelle, and he informed us that quality is the primary concern in their business.  They want to provide high end pastries at an affordable price.  Many of the ingredients used in the preparations are imported...French butter, Swiss chocolate, etc.  Burak says that pastry chef Jean-Claude Perennou insists on utilizing better ingredients, hence a better product.  The formula seems to be working well for them because their shop is always hopping with customers.  I also happened to mention my slight gripe on the weak coffee.  He explained that they're still working on that and to give them time.

This post is not meant to belittle Lety's.  I've been a regular customer of theirs since they opened last spring, but again, I've noticed an upward trend on their pricing that might just keep me away more often than not.
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Re: Is Novo's getting too expensive?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 09:09:15 PM »
I was just reading through this blog I found via the JH bloggers links that Toddg posted, and found this nice entry on Novo with photos (including one of some lovely-looking mojitos).  Mojitos are one of my favorite drinks so I may have to make my first trip there soon. . .
http://pinakbetdetective.blogspot.com/2007/12/novo.html

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Re: Is Novo's getting too expensive?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 09:45:30 PM »
I had a pomegranate mojito at Novo a few months back -- very tasty.

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Bad Novo experience
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 02:18:06 PM »
As far as we remember, this is the second iteration of Novo and, perhaps the worst one. We had a pretty disappointing experience at Novo just recently.

Contrary to what some believe the main component of a restaurant is not as much food as the service/experience. We are ready to forgive kitchen glitches if the management makes us feel welcome. Not in Novo though.

The centerpiece of bad experience in Novo is the manager (the guy with goatee). If he knows you – he will take care of you. If he doesn’t know you – he will not give rat’s tail. He doesn’t greet you; he never comes to your table to ask how things are. He is useless and does nothing but chats with his buddies at their table or outside. The manager’s lack of awareness of the restaurant’s surroundings is notorious – this is not our first time there.

We came for dinner on Friday evening and were “greeted” by a grumpy overworked waitress. Meanwhile the manager was chatting with a group of middle-aged men who we called “local politicians.” Their table was across the bar – so the manager was standing between their table and bar stools. We tried to squeeze in between. Despite a couple of excuse-mes  the manager did not bother to move an inch and we had to force our way in.

The manager was the worst dressed employee. He was wearing a washed out light blue t-short and looked like he just got out of bed. This signifies to us that he has no desire to represent this place or make it a good place. Or, wait, may be this is exactly what is happening – the place is how he is dressed and how he treats the customers.

The waitress was pretty frustrated. She was trying to make the best out of the situation running like crazy while the manager was doing nothing when the place was not ready. On a couple of occasions he tried to give her orders in between chats and sittings at politicians’ table. We saw how she brushed him off.

We think that without the manager the  would be much better.

Although only three tables were occupied by customers, the empty tables (including the one we were seated at) were only partially ready. Our table had only one glass, paper napkins and knives – as in “no forks.” Waitress got rid of this trendy bottle of water without even asking what water we would like to drink. She put on another glass and poured tap water in. After awhile she came back and asked if we were ready to order without even asking if we wanted any drinks.

Some time later a guy came to set a table next to us. He put forks, knives and cloth napkins as a part of the sets. He offered us napkins but did not offer forks. Even when food came they did not bother to provide forks until we explicitly asked for them.

DRINKS

We ordered simple martinis and they were not bad. We don’t order their specialty drinks any more because during our previous visits a barman never got it right – either they served wrong drinks or the drinks were lame.

FOOD

We ordered mixed ceviche and beef carnitas for appetizers. Although the menu stated three kinds of ceviche, waitress said that there were only two. It took quite awhile for the appetizers to arrive. We don’t mind waiting for good food but carnitas came almost cold (perhaps they were sitting in the kitchen for some time), ceviche was a way over salted. I remember their ceviche was pretty good in the beginning. The salt amount throws a flag because the first thought was that it was not fresh.

For main course we requested stuffed chicken breast and filet minion au pouvre. Food came just warm. Chicken was rubbery and dry. Filet minion (although ordered as medium) was almost well done, meat was flaky and rough rising questions about freshness and the method of storage.

The bill ran to $97 – very expensive for the kind of service and food we have experienced.

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Re: Bad Novo experience
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2008, 08:26:38 PM »
The reason I've yet to go into Novo is because I have friends who have gone and feel exactly like you do about the place.  And I believe Spanishfish when he says they have great burgers but I've heard enough bad things about the place that I always find some place else to eat instead.

Maybe it's just a place to go have drinks and listen to music since some people enjoy Monday nights there. It's a shame since they now have "outdoor dining".   ;D
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Re: Bad Novo experience
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2008, 12:10:41 PM »
I've only been to Novo once, but am curious about giving it a second chance.  I ordered a Cuban sandwich at lunchtime, and wasn't thrilled with it.  The service was fine, but at the time we went, my mom and I were the only customers there.  I'd like to read more opinions on the quality of the food.  Novo seems to have a varied and interesting menu, but Andmig's post makes me wonder if it's worth another shot.

Buddy, I'm not sure of the zoning laws or differences between Queens and Manhattan streets, but I have noticed that some Manhattan restaurants offer sidewalk seating on some very narrow streets.
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Re: Bad Novo experience
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2008, 01:38:03 PM »
I wonder if the zoning is the same as the shop owners - 48" from the front of the store.

Menu: I am crazy about the churrasco, med. rare, and the garlic mashed potatoes. It fulfills my guilty craving for beef. The Spanish cob salad is also good. Very fresh, juicy grilled chicken. I also had this crazy dessert - like a chocolate bomb. Took a pix with cell phone, I will have to upload it here. You are right about service, unless you are a regular. Love the music though. My .02.

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Re: Bad Novo experience
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2008, 02:02:22 PM »
I'm so sorry you had such a bad experience there.  I've had nothing but really good experiences at Novo's.

My best experience was about two years ago on a really hot day.  I was with my mom and my aunt and my cousin's son... about 7 years old.  Everyone was really hot, and clearly needed a break before making it to our destination on 74th street.  We stopped in to enjoy the air conditioning, and everyone ordered soft drinks.  We were served chips and dip, and the little boy dropped a glass and broke it, and was given a fresh drink.  Our bill was about $6, and we were treated like royalty.

I'm also a regular for the Sunday night toddler happy hour.  Lots of squealing children with sippy cups and plates full of rice and beans clutter the back area with toys while the parents have a cocktail and a bite to eat.  When I walk in, I start unpacking the kid and the toys, and the owner comes up and says "one cabernet?"  I guess I've become one of the folks who is "known" and taken care of.

I would really take a moment to talk to him and tell him about your experience there. 

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Re: Bad Novo experience
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2008, 02:06:29 PM »
I love the Novo atmosphere.

But in my experience going there... the service is a hit or a miss.  It depends on who is there. 

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Re: Bad Novo experience
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2008, 03:45:29 PM »
Thank you for your replies.

What amazes me is that, although it is a common knowledge by now that restaurant is a vary difficult cut-throat business, many restaurateurs try to ride on a wave of a short term limited success. Many of them do not develop and support their customer base and lead the venture to an unavoidable failure. Novo, in my opinion, is a startling prove of the above point in all of its incarnations.

Despite the fact that locals, including us, are more than eager to support neighborhood businesses, this spot disintegrates time after time. One may argue that this piece of real estate is cursed. I see it as a result of train of owners with myopic outlook. Jackson Heights is ready for big time ventures, especially in the food industry. The population here is getting as cosmopolitan and experienced as anywhere in the world and they have seen practically everything as far as restaurants are concerned. That means that a time is coming when very shrewd businessmen arrive. They will leave Novo and other joints that believe they can get by with a lax attitude in dust.

As a matter of fact they already have been loosing huge amounts of money. We go out at least five-six times a months. Minimum three of these times we go to good restaurants. Where do we go? Manhattan, of course. How much do we spend? At least $100 per mouth per visit. This is $600/month! In addition, when we get together with friends, it is much more money. We used to invite friends to Jackson Heights for nights out. Not any longer. We prefer Manhattan or, if we are too lazy – other Queens locations, like Forest Hills or Elmhurst.

Also, we are very loyal and understanding customers. If we find a place that treat us well – we spend literally thousands of dollars there over time. We forgive food preparation ups and downs and keep coming. Again, restaurants are not eateries only but places that deliver certain experience as a whole. This is Business 101. For the same token – we practically never come back where our dollar is not appreciated.

I strongly believe that there are thousands of JH residents with similar attitude and spending patterns. You do the math.

We predicted that the previous Novo would go down (when they started serving undercooked rice). We are pretty sure this one’s days are almost over.

Actually, it is interesting to mention that we kept coming back to the previous Novo at their very bad times and kept paying for their bad food. You know why? Because there was this amazing girl working there as a waitress who was so cheerful, energetic and creative that she alone was able to deliver a great experience in spite all the crap the place going through. She was experimenting with drinks and always asked us to try her new creations. We did and, although not all of them were success stories, she was getting 30% tips in cash. That’s the spirit many of us are willing to pay for!