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you walk on 34th ave that has everything from reckless children to susceptible old people, but the ones who ask you to wear a mask are unreasonable?

Gee, it's like you didn't read (or comprehend) anything I wrote previously, or what you even quoted. Tell you what, go to 34th Avenue at 8 am and tell me how crowded it is (it isn't).

And yeah, yelling at someone across the street when there's no one on the block to put a mask on is unreasonable. You know what the rule is. If you think everyone should be adhering to another rule (the one you made up in your head and not mandated by the state), you should probably just not go outside.

i just think it's funny you need a rule to be responsible. i read and comprehended everything you wrote and i still think you should be wearing a mask. if you walk in a place that is public and designated for people to congregate (albeit moving, for the most part) you should have a mask on. if you don't you should have it at the ready for when someone passes you by or vice versa.

did you not expect me to extrapolate from your statement that you also walk without a mask when you do pass by people? or should i just assume that during this entire lock down, you've only gone down one block and on that one block, you got yelled at by someone going the opposite direction of you.

golly.

This is what Cuomo had to say about mask wearing and social distancing:

"If you're going to be in public and you cannot maintain social distancing, then have a mask and put the mask on when you are not in socially distanced places," The Governor said Wednesday. "You're walking down the street, you're walking down the street alone? Great. You're now at an intersection and there are people in the intersection and you're going to be in proximity to other people? Put the mask on."

https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronavirus/faqs-about-new-yorks-face-mask-in-public-executive-order-now-in-effect

Along the walk we see it all, mask wearers, chin protectors, elbow protectors, hand accessories

if you don't you should have it at the ready for when someone passes you by or vice versa.

Also, I'm confused. If someone has their mask (or other face covering) pulled below their chin, or in their hand, are they not at the ready for putting on? It appears to me you're assuming that someone who explains to you why they aren't wearing a face covering at all times while outdoors and specifically on 34th Avenue - which they aren't required to do - doesn't have a face covering at the ready to put on.

Is that correct? If so, you might want to revisit the assumptions you're making. Masks pulled down under the chin can easily be pulled up. Ditto for bandannas and scarves. Some masks have neck tethers. I've modified some washable masks with yarn or string to create a neck tether. It's really helpful so you can remove your mask when others aren't around (and allow it to dry out since respiration through a mask makes it damp, making it less effective, which is what you don't want when you go out for a walk in an area where it's easy to avoid proximity with others, and will also come to a place where you want to put it on, like 37th Avenue or a stop at store to run an errand).

Also, I'm confused. If someone has their mask (or other face covering) pulled below their chin, or in their hand, are they not at the ready for putting on? It appears to me you're assuming that someone who explains to you why they aren't wearing a face covering at all times while outdoors and specifically on 34th Avenue - which they aren't required to do - doesn't have a face covering at the ready to put on.

if it wasn't clear from my initial post, that is exactly what i'm trying to figure out. i agree. having it on your chin is 'at the ready'

however - i see these people huff and puff and zoom past people, getting closer to them then 6ft - and they don't make an effort.

the mask is a token for these people. its like people were told to wear a mask, but need the explicit hand holding that tells them they also have to wear it to cover their nose and mouth.

why are you being so dense? i walk on 34th and unless alternate realities exist, we are seeing the same shit (unless you're walking only at 8AM, in which case, i'm not sure why you're arguing with me)

and as i said, i am no longer walking along 34th. stop making the suggestion as if it was revelatory. But that isn't because I don't enjoy the walk and the people watching associated. i'm annoyed at the inconsiderates who have ruined it for me and my family.

also i looked up your cargo cult phrase and i fail to see the superstition involved in wearing a mask. it's a good phrase, glad to have learned it. not sure why you think it applies to an assembly point where people are breathing heavily, sweating and not even making an effort to keep 6 ft apart.

if it wasn't clear from my initial post, that is exactly what i'm trying to figure out. i agree. having it on your chin is 'at the ready'...
however - i see these people huff and puff and zoom past people, getting closer to them then 6ft - and they don't make an effort....the mask is a token for these people. its like people were told to wear a mask, but need the explicit hand holding that tells them they also have to wear it to cover their nose and mouth

That wasn't what your initial post asked.

I'm wondering if anyone here who choses to walk along the 34th Ave 'path' decides it's important enough to bring outside, put on their head, but not wear across their mouth and nose....And if you are one of those people, why would you do so along a path you're guaranteed to be close to people on, especially when you're panting like a dog on a run or zooming past on a bike?

People, including myself, who don't always wear their mask on 34th Avenue explained to you why they do so, and then you began to talk past people and, I think, intentionally misunderstand people. I think you did this for express purpose of being obnoxious.

why are you being so dense? i walk on 34th and unless alternate realities exist, we are seeing the same shit (unless you're walking only at 8AM, in which case, i'm not sure why you're arguing with me)

I'm not being dense at all. I think you are intentionally misunderstanding. Remember, you don't have to agree with me about my choice of mask wearing to understand the reasoning. I don't need to convince you of the the rightness of my perspective in order for you to have gained insight in to why someone does what was your initial ask.

As I've previously explained, you absolutely can get on to 34th Avenue on various times of day and have no problem keeping your distance from others. Peak times less so, so I avoid 34th Avenue at that time and leave it for the families of kids learning to ride a bike,

Now, there are definitely people who get too close - including people wearing masks. I've had pairs of runners throughout the neighborhood come up from behind me, split to get around me and both stay within a foot or two of me. That annoys me (and I think it would be rude behavior outside of an epidemic), but I also think the risk of infection from such an encounter is so low as to be negligible -- if that was a common transmission route I think 100% of New Yorkers tested would have antibodies. I suspect those people have the same perception as I do.

My annoyance at that comes from the lack of consideration it shows to others who are fearful, not my fear of catching Covid-19.

Wear a mask properly, at all times, when outside. Full stop. Nothing to discuss or debate here. We have lost too many people in our community to this virus. The least you can do is properly wear a mask outside.

^^like I said, cargo cult.

It's simple. Stay home.
If you don't stay home, keep a safe distance away from anyone with whom you don't share living space.
If you have to come into close proximity with someone, cover your face.
Why is this so hard for people to follow?