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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2019, 12:39:17 PM »
Whether or not it is fixed, you can see the distrust here

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2019, 07:45:16 AM »
Conspiracy theories are never helpful. And prey on peoples' fears.

Whether about JFK or the Queens District Attorney race.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/what-does-counting-90000-paper-ballots-sound-inside-queens-da-recount/

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2019, 09:29:32 AM »
There is no conspiracy in allowing a voter that showed up and voted and forget to sign their name to have their vote count and not be the subject of a protracted legal battle. Allowing votes to count from registered Democrats is not voter fraud or favoritism. What is favoritism is what the Governor is doing by not signing the bill that clearly allows those voted to be counted. You really learn how corrupt our whole system of government truly is when these close elections occur. Very pathetic.

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2019, 10:47:53 AM »
During any race, IMO, the rules at the beginning should be the same as the rules at the end of the race.

Be it the Olympics or the Attorney General of Queens.

That's my opinion.  And considers the ETHICS of a situation.

Both sides are equally advantaged or disadvantaged by changing the rules midway. Both. Equally.

The rule, currently, is "sign your name".  That's a perfectly reasonable rule at the beginning of the race. And remains a perfectly reasonable rule even now, to me, at the end of the race.

If that rule is changed for the next race, then so be it.









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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2019, 12:00:36 PM »
I've actually been to court with the Queens Dems. They know how to protect their own. Not a particularly open and free organization. But as bad that they are, I trust them more than these guys, whoever they are (nobody really knows):

https://www.facebook.com/pg/nycdsa/groups/?ref=page_internal

Scroll right, through the header, for the glamour shots comrades crave.

I posted from a computer. ^Might not work on phone.
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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2019, 11:35:52 AM »
From the Daily News:

Melinda Katz wins Queens DA recount over Tiffany Caban

Melinda Katz has won the tighter-than-tight Queens district attorney race over insurgent Tiffany Caban.

The final ballots were tabulated after a laborious two-week recount that left the candidates within a few dozen votes of one another after the June 25 Democratic primary ended in a virtual dead heat.

Despite the recount results, the election remains in dispute.

More than 100 affadavit ballots were rejected on technical grounds and Caban has challenged the rejections in court. If those ballots are counted, it could swing the result back in her favor.

Above link for full story.


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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #96 on: July 25, 2019, 11:44:57 AM »
From the Daily News:

Melinda Katz wins Queens DA recount over Tiffany Caban

Melinda Katz has won the tighter-than-tight Queens district attorney race over insurgent Tiffany Caban.

The final ballots were tabulated after a laborious two-week recount that left the candidates within a few dozen votes of one another after the June 25 Democratic primary ended in a virtual dead heat.

Despite the recount results, the election remains in dispute.

More than 100 affadavit ballots were rejected on technical grounds and Caban has challenged the rejections in court. If those ballots are counted, it could swing the result back in her favor.

Above link for full story.



If this is true, IMO, we dodged a bullet. But I am not convinced the results are certain yet.
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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #97 on: July 25, 2019, 12:06:02 PM »

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2019, 01:19:42 PM »
Nothing changed because we know the last 100 votes who didn’t sign the card were not counted.

Next Cuomo refuses to sing the law allowing these votes to count.

Then a loyal Brooklyn Democrat Judge will throw out the votes and declare Katz the winner and thus democracy is thwarted yet again. 

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #99 on: July 25, 2019, 01:22:56 PM »
Nothing changed because we know the last 100 votes who didn’t sign the card were not counted.

Next Cuomo refuses to sing the law allowing these votes to count.

Then a loyal Brooklyn Democrat Judge will throw out the votes and declare Katz the winner and thus democracy is thwarted yet again.

Listen, what makes you so certain that the 100 unsigned votes are for Caban? Some might be for Katz. Maybe Katz voters forgot to sign. Katz voters might also be equally forgetful concerning signatures as Caban's might be.  Your logic is...not logical.

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2019, 02:16:57 PM »
The further and further to the left the Democratic party is pushed by extreme progressives, radicals, and social justice warriors, the more afraid I become of a second Trump term. The venom with which Katz is being attacked here in this forum demonstrates that AOC's followers and her like have a zero-tolerance policy for anyone who hasn't drunk their Kool-Aid... just as it is with Trump's base.

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2019, 02:28:35 PM »
The further and further to the left the Democratic party is pushed by extreme progressives, radicals, and social justice warriors, the more afraid I become of a second Trump term. The venom with which Katz is being attacked here in this forum demonstrates that AOC's followers and her like have a zero-tolerance policy for anyone who hasn't drunk their Kool-Aid... just as it is with Trump's base.

Agreed. They are exact mirror images in their fervent and vehement and black/white, unnuanced viewpoints.
It's remarkable, really. Ironically, they have become the same... albeit from opposing POVs.

I believe the majority of folks aren't that. Thankfully.

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2019, 06:16:25 PM »
Every registered Democrat’s vote should count regardless of any signature technicality. This could mean Katz would still win, but every vote should count. People who are not registered with the Democrats cannot have their vote count. I find nothing unreasonable about this position.

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #103 on: July 29, 2019, 09:35:04 PM »

from the NY Times:

The Queens D.A. Race Has a Winner. Here’s Why It’s Still Not Over.
By Vivian WangJuly 29, 2019




Melinda Katz, the establishment favorite, was certified as the winner, but Tiffany Cabán has refused to concede.

A recount gave Melinda Katz a 60-vote lead over Tiffany Cabán in the June 25 Democratic primary for Queens district attorney.
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The New York City Board of Elections on Monday certified Melinda Katz, the Queens borough president, as the winner of the June 25 Democratic primary for Queens district attorney, the culmination of a 34-day election battle that was one of the closest and most bitter in recent New York City history.

But the board’s certification does not end the contest: One of Ms. Katz’s opponents, Tiffany Cabán, has already filed a lawsuit challenging the results, which have her losing to Ms. Katz by a mere 60 votes.

Nor does it end the identity crisis that the race represented for the Democratic Party. Supporters of both campaigns have cast the outcome as a verdict on the future of the left, with backers of Ms. Cabán, a former public defender and democratic socialist, describing her candidacy as a rebuke to machine politics, and supporters of Ms. Katz, the favored candidate of top Democratic leaders, accusing the other side of aggravating the party’s polarization.

That battle seemed all but certain to rage on, even as Ms. Katz claimed victory on Monday after a two-week manual recount.

“This is a great day for the people of Queens, who have waited patiently for the long recount process to conclude,” Ms. Katz said in a statement. “While it is everyone’s right to avail themselves of the judicial process, I urge all participants in this hard-fought election to come together and join me in beginning the hard work of reforming the criminal justice system in Queens.”

But Ms. Cabán refused to concede, citing the broader mandate of reform that she had invoked throughout the campaign, and which propelled the race to national attention.

She said that more than 100 ballots had been improperly not counted, likening that to voter suppression.

“This race is not over,” Ms. Cabán said at a news conference on Thursday, when the results of the recount first became clear. “Our campaign will be in court to protect Queens voters from being disenfranchised by New York’s restrictive and undemocratic voting laws.”

Monica Klein, a spokeswoman for Ms. Cabán, called the certification a “formality” that would allow the campaign’s lawsuit to move forward.

That the certification was seen by many as just a step rather than a final result underscored the topsy-turvy nature of the race. On the night of the election, Ms. Cabán had declared victory, citing a 1,100-vote margin. But a delayed count of paper ballots on July 3 put Ms. Katz ahead by 20 votes.

That slim margin automatically triggered a manual recount — the first ever to span a full county, according to state elections officials. Over the past two weeks, Board of Elections staff members crowded into a nondescript mall in Queens — also home to a BJ’s Wholesale Club and a Burger King — to tally every ballot by hand, while volunteers and lawyers for both candidates stood guard.

The recount process itself was painstaking and dull. But it unfolded against a backdrop of mistrust and mutual recrimination, as Ms. Cabán’s supporters hurled accusations of voter fraud and suppression. Ms. Katz’s supporters — including prominent elected officials such as Representative Gregory Meeks — suggested that Ms. Cabán’s backers were gentrifiers inconsiderate of nonwhite voters, many of whom supported Ms. Katz. (Ms. Katz is white, and Ms. Cabán is Latina.)

Ms. Cabán’s supporters have already pointed to the looming court battle, when Ms. Cabán’s lawyers plan to argue that elections officials improperly discarded dozens of ballots — more than enough to flip the election yet again if reinstated.

Many of those ballots were invalidated for technical reasons, such as an eligible Democratic voter showing up to the wrong polling site, or not writing “Democrat” on the ballot. Poll workers are responsible for ensuring that voters fill out affidavit ballots correctly, said Jerry Goldfeder, a lawyer for Ms. Cabán.

Still, it is impossible to know how much those disputed ballots would change the outcome even if they were reinstated. Invalidated ballots were not opened, so there is no way of knowing if they would add to Ms. Cabán’s tally or Ms. Katz’s.

It is unclear how long the court proceedings will take. In 2012, a special election for a Brooklyn State Senate seat led to an automatic recount; David Storobin, a Republican, ultimately won by 16 votes, 72 days after the election.

In 2004, a race in Westchester County led to the longest-running contest for a Senate seat since before the Great Depression. The contest between Andrea Stewart-Cousins, a Democratic county legislator, and the Republican incumbent, Nick Spano, set off a three-month court battle that ended with an 18-vote win for Mr. Spano. (Ms. Stewart-Cousins, who won a 2006 rematch, is now the leader of the State Senate.)

In the meantime, observers have given up on trying to predict the outcome.

Jerry Skurnik, a longtime political consultant, said he thought Ms. Cabán would be hard-pressed to make up a 60-vote lead with about 100 disputed ballots. But then again, he said, “I thought it was hard to see how Katz could overcome an 1,100-vote margin with so few absentee ballots.

“I’ve been completely wrong about this race,” Mr. Skurnik added. “So nothing will surprise me.”

Correction: July 29, 2019
An earlier version of this article misidentified the Republican who won the special election for Brooklyn State Senate in 2012. He is David Storobin, not Daniel Sorokin.

Vivian Wang is a reporter for the Metro Desk, covering New York State politics in Albany. She was raised in Chicago and graduated from Yale University. @vwang3

A version of this article appears in print on July 30, 2019, Section A, Page 25 of the New York edition with the headline: Katz Wins Queens D.A. Race, but a Fight Still Looms. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

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Re: Queens District Attorney, Democratic Primary June 25
« Reply #104 on: July 30, 2019, 06:40:19 AM »
I hated that I had to vote strategically rather than for who would have been the better QDA. I have no confidence in Katz. She, like Van Bramer and Gianaris, will embrace just enough of the socialist mantle to ensure reelection. It's sickening. But who in their right mind would vote for a DA (of all things!) that embraces dishonesty and anarchy to support a worldview of global governance and collectivism. You have to be crazy or dumb. It helps to be both.
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