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Offline abcdefghijk

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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2019, 08:16:59 PM »
I looked up the original plan for Travers Park and the entire 78th St from Northern Bld does appear to be included in the park.

So, I figure something must've happened to change that.

https://www.nycgovparks.org/planning-and-building/capital-project-tracker/project/6276
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2019, 08:28:13 PM »
So what is the problem if that small section of the street remains open to vehicles?  The stretch facing the park being closed off as it is now seems like a good idea, sure, but I don't understand the desire to shut the entire block.
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2019, 08:31:41 PM »
Quote from: Chingwa on March 24, 2019, 08:28:13 PM
So what is the problem if that small section of the street remains open to vehicles?  The stretch facing the park being closed off as it is now seems like a good idea, sure, but I don't understand the desire to shut the entire block.

more chance of a vehicle and a human -- possibly a small one -- meeting in an unfortunate way?

i really haven't wandered the stretch to see how likely that might or might not be, but maybe?
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2019, 08:40:00 PM »
The community was involved in the original planning of the park. The community was for all of 78th St closed.
That's what the original plan shows.

Was the community consulted in the decision to use a part of 78th St for cars?

I am guessing the community would say...NO. And to stick with the original plan.
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2019, 08:48:52 PM »
It's more dangerous to cross 34th ave to get to the park in the first place then to worry about that little stretch... or if you're coming from the other direction you'd have to cross northern which is an even bigger risk obviously.

I dunno, I just don't get the big deal.  If people want something to complain about how about that this "park" redesign with all the effort and money that went into it forgot about grass... you know ACTUAL green, not green painted asphalt.
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2019, 09:18:33 PM »
Quote from: Chingwa on March 24, 2019, 08:48:52 PM
It's more dangerous to cross 34th ave to get to the park in the first place then to worry about that little stretch... or if you're coming from the other direction you'd have to cross northern which is an even bigger risk obviously.

I dunno, I just don't get the big deal.  If people want something to complain about how about that this "park" redesign with all the effort and money that went into it forgot about grass... you know ACTUAL green, not green painted asphalt.

I suggest you do your research. The currently fenced off hill will be grass. The plan is in the link previously posted. The park has been planned by the community in conjunction with the city for years.
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 01:33:03 AM »
It was a great thing for the community to come together and decide to close the street.  It was a beautiful thing for our elected officials and the city to come to the table with a park design and funding that integrated the street and the park.   But all of this visioning and community consensus doesn't have a legal leg to stand on against the pre-existing property rights of the dealership.  The access to that property via its driveway cannot be taken away without compensation. 

Now that there's a brand new building on the site that relies on this driveway, I think the only way that street will ever be closed is if the city just purchases the whole site (at great expense).  Personally, I have no problem with eminent domain for commercial properties, and I would love to see the city take this property and expand Travers Park, as community advocates were pushing for years ago. 

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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 04:18:51 AM »
Most people don't have a problem with eminent domain.  Until it's their house or their business that's being appropriated.
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2019, 10:07:11 AM »
I'd say at this late stage in the game, with the new park almost complete, eminent domain of commercial properties is a pie-in-the-sky dream.

Thanks for the legal info. What I understand from it is that because the new car yard building has created an entrance onto 78th St., while the park was being redeveloped, they have the legal right to use 78th St.

Prior to the new building, I am assuming the previous car yard had an entrance via Northern Bld?

Timing is everything, as they say.  And the concurrent building of a new car yard building and the park has resulted in the car yard being able to construct that entrance on 78th St.

Had the new Travers Park already been completed, I am figuring it would've been far more difficult for the new building to have planned its entrance on 78th St.

The car yard owner appears to have trumped the park-lovers.





 

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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2019, 10:14:08 AM »
Quote from: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 10:07:11 AM
I'd say at this late stage in the game, with the new park almost complete, eminent domain of commercial properties is a pie-in-the-sky dream.

Thanks for the legal info. What I understand from it is that because the new car yard building has created an entrance onto 78th St., while the park was being redeveloped, they have the legal right to use 78th St.

Prior to the new building, I am assuming the previous car yard had an entrance via Northern Bld?

Timing is everything, as they say.  And the concurrent building of a new car yard building and the park has resulted in the car yard being able to build that entrance.

Had the new Travers Park already been completed, I am figuring it would've been far more difficult for the new building to have constructed its entrance on 78th St.

The car yard owner appears to have trumped the park-lovers.

Is this car dealership the same dealership that was using the former Sports Authority parking lot that will be the site of a high school?
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2019, 03:41:26 PM »
Quote from: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 10:07:11 AM
I'd say at this late stage in the game, with the new park almost complete, eminent domain of commercial properties is a pie-in-the-sky dream.

Thanks for the legal info. What I understand from it is that because the new car yard building has created an entrance onto 78th St., while the park was being redeveloped, they have the legal right to use 78th St.

Prior to the new building, I am assuming the previous car yard had an entrance via Northern Bld?

Timing is everything, as they say.  And the concurrent building of a new car yard building and the park has resulted in the car yard being able to construct that entrance on 78th St.

Had the new Travers Park already been completed, I am figuring it would've been far more difficult for the new building to have planned its entrance on 78th St.

The car yard owner appears to have trumped the park-lovers.

The old building had a garage door in exactly the same spot on 78th Street.  You can see it on Google Street View.
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 03:59:17 PM »
Quote from: toddg on March 25, 2019, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: abcdefghijk on March 25, 2019, 10:07:11 AM
I'd say at this late stage in the game, with the new park almost complete, eminent domain of commercial properties is a pie-in-the-sky dream.

Thanks for the legal info. What I understand from it is that because the new car yard building has created an entrance onto 78th St., while the park was being redeveloped, they have the legal right to use 78th St.

Prior to the new building, I am assuming the previous car yard had an entrance via Northern Bld?

Timing is everything, as they say.  And the concurrent building of a new car yard building and the park has resulted in the car yard being able to construct that entrance on 78th St.

Had the new Travers Park already been completed, I am figuring it would've been far more difficult for the new building to have planned its entrance on 78th St.

The car yard owner appears to have trumped the park-lovers.

The old building had a garage door in exactly the same spot on 78th Street.  You can see it on Google Street View.

So are you saying the planners chose to ignore the car yard entrance on 78th St? If so, it does appear we are being whipped up into annoyance by something that was obvious and legal and above-board from the start.

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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2019, 07:02:14 AM »
That is not a new building but a increase in the height of an old building. The garage door on the side on 78 has not moved and might be the same door that was there for years. Who wants a park next to the noise of Northern BLVD?
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2019, 08:36:35 AM »
i agree with you, JK, about the right of the business to carry on as it has been -- the dealership isn't doing anything new, the building isn't new, the planners knew this was there. seems pretty simple.

but in terms of "who wants a park right next to the noise of Northern?," many, if not most of, smaller NYC parks abut busy, noisy streets. heck, Flushing Meadow Park abuts Roosevelt.
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Re: 78Th St between Northern and Travers Park
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2019, 10:55:11 PM »

We have so little park land in JH, we rank 50 or 51 City Council districts, we need to keep every inch.  Mazda can bring cars in on 77th Street and keep cars out of our park.
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