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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2017, 12:03:24 PM »
For reference, 23,580 square feet would be only a little bit larger than FoodTown.

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2017, 12:09:18 PM »
The article points out this:  As usual, Target’s Jackson Heights lease forbids rival supermarkets, pharmacies and convenience stores, as well as down-market venues like massage parlors, laundromats and second-hand stores.

So what exactly does that mean?  It's low on details here. 

It means that as long as Target is a tenant the developers cannot offer a lease to any of the types of businesses listed.  This Target will probably sell groceries and have a pharmacy so the contract clause will restrict competition.  These restrictions only apply to this property.  They can't stop a supermarket from opening across the street.

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2017, 04:29:22 PM »
This is great news for those with obscene amounts of Target gift cards like myself  ;D

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2017, 05:04:27 PM »
For reference, 23,580 square feet would be only a little bit larger than FoodTown.

That is not big - certainly not the size of a regular Target.  Does anyone know if this won't be a real Target but rather just a Target Pharmacy, something akin to the Rite Aid on 37th Avenue?


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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2017, 05:37:48 PM »
They should open a Target at the former Sports Authority location.

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2017, 06:34:28 PM »
For reference, 23,580 square feet would be only a little bit larger than FoodTown.

That is not big - certainly not the size of a regular Target.  Does anyone know if this won't be a real Target but rather just a Target Pharmacy, something akin to the Rite Aid on 37th Avenue?

Here's an article about the city Targets that are popping up in various locations. http://abc7ny.com/shopping/details-3-new-nyc-target-stores-opening-in-manhattan-brooklyn/1481317/

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2017, 06:42:16 PM »
For reference, 23,580 square feet would be only a little bit larger than FoodTown.

the square footage of the entire property is 15,000 square feet, so the actual selling floor is probably closer to 12,000 - or about half that size.
http://opendatany.com/food-store.php?id=632081

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2017, 09:29:38 PM »
You are right abc... We have loads of chain stores. Perhaps disinformation in the hope folks won't think it through. 82nd Street has always had a higher share of national chain stores, but its growing dramatically and with Target, now going south of Roosevelt.

82nd Street is kind of an outdoor mall when it comes to shopping choices. Woudln't be so bad if it were confined to 82nd because folks already travel outside the neighborhood for these stores. Would be very bad, if it starts spreading to 37th, and I don't see anything that would stop it.

Personally, I am glad we haven't been invaded by EVERY big brand store.

We have enough...Wendy's, Burger King, MacDonald's, Gap, Banana Republic, Dunkin Donuts and Old Navy and Target (to come)... etc.

Those stores make a neighborhood generic.

So it's a good thing we are seen as a Latino/immigrant neighborhood.

Which the majority is around here.

Just look around on the street.

And that's the reason we're more affordable (rent/real estate) than Brooklyn/Manhattan.

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2017, 09:16:39 AM »
Also, there already is one in Queens Place. Anyone who is traveling for shopping would go there. Or maybe the one in Flushing or Forest Hills. I wouldn't worry about out of towners coming for a Target.

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2017, 09:21:04 AM »
I am trying to see the positive developments that may come from this. I don't think this chain invasion would spill over to 37th for the most part. 82nd Street Partnership seems to really be courting them, though. Let's hope these chains contribute (monetarily and by pressuring the City) to improvements of the surrounding infrastructure: 82nd Street subway station needs improvements, tree pit improvements, potholes fixed faster... and also give the developers with many storefronts the ability to offer lower leases for some smaller, local shops (we can dream!).

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2017, 10:40:57 AM »
 I'm interested to see how Target changes the dynamics of that location. I really do see where people are coming from when it comes to big business infiltrating areas and putting Mom and Pops out of business. The thing is JH small business was on the path to decay way before we were a twinkle in Targets eye. Look at 37th ave with all the closed storefronts. This is not because of big corporations pushing out the little guys. Owners of these properties are asking ludicrous amounts of money per SQFT. In addition, let's not forget about the bureaucracy you have to go through in order to sell your first cup of Latte. Whether we like it or not JH is on the radar of big business (82nd Street) and the property owners are well aware of a possible big payday coming. 

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2017, 11:26:37 AM »
I am trying to see the positive developments that may come from this. I don't think this chain invasion would spill over to 37th for the most part. 82nd Street Partnership seems to really be courting them, though. Let's hope these chains contribute (monetarily and by pressuring the City) to improvements of the surrounding infrastructure: 82nd Street subway station needs improvements, tree pit improvements, potholes fixed faster... and also give the developers with many storefronts the ability to offer lower leases for some smaller, local shops (we can dream!).

I understand now that because I live at 73rd Street and 35th ave, I live in a different demographic than I would see at 82nd street and 37th avenue. But, why are people waxing nostalgic about the small stores in this area? Do you really like the proliferation of 99 cent type stores?

If we had decent stores and restaurants like those in Astoria, I would understand your horror that a large store is opening a mini mall in this area. But many of the stores in this area are are slummy. There are no first rate supermarkets, no decent bakery, the decent non-Boarshead delis are gone (previous italian and russia-polish delis). I have no real hope for decent stores in the Bruson building because they would have announced something by now.

The Target store is very small compared to any other City Target I can find online. It is not like they are opening BJ's on 37th avenue. As someone said it is only a little larger than Foodtown.

I doubt that everyone is happy with the stores in JH. I see the Freshdirect truck all the time in this area. I get a delivery at least once a week. It is outlandishly expensive. I would rather have decent local stores.

Sure, I could have been more diplomatic and not said "slummy" but I couldn't think of a better word to describe almost bodega like stores.

The prices of co-ops in JH have risen dramatically recently and still we argue about a Target store, which isn't even up-scale. It seems to be in Elmhurst and it is replacing a derelict movie theater. 

Maybe some people with connections could work together to get some decent stores here. It does not seem that this is happening evidenced by the inaction at the Bruson building. (and the management of the Bruson bldg.'s aspirations to get a Burger King.)

Apologies for the ramble.

(someone asked about charcuterie and artisanal cocktails, good luck with that.)

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2017, 11:41:53 AM »
I am trying to see the positive developments that may come from this. I don't think this chain invasion would spill over to 37th for the most part. 82nd Street Partnership seems to really be courting them, though. Let's hope these chains contribute (monetarily and by pressuring the City) to improvements of the surrounding infrastructure: 82nd Street subway station needs improvements, tree pit improvements, potholes fixed faster... and also give the developers with many storefronts the ability to offer lower leases for some smaller, local shops (we can dream!).

Totally agree. 

I grew up in Astoria, and my family still lives there.  I like the small restaurants, the little indie shops and the general character of the shopping districts.  The merchants there care enough to keep the streets in front of their stores clean, to not overly clutter the sidewalk by displaying merchandise on sale for $1.99 and taking up all of the walking space (like they do on 82nd), and they try to keep current with trends in housewares and clothing.  Our commercial district is getting better since we moved here about 12 years ago, but we still have way too many cell phone stores, 99 cent shops, drug stores and shops that sell cheaply made clothing. 

If Target were taking the place of a cute indie boutique, I'd be concerned.  Instead, it's an anchor tenant in a new development that used to house an abandoned movie theater.  How is that not an improvement?

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2017, 11:48:15 AM »
I am trying to see the positive developments that may come from this. I don't think this chain invasion would spill over to 37th for the most part. 82nd Street Partnership seems to really be courting them, though. Let's hope these chains contribute (monetarily and by pressuring the City) to improvements of the surrounding infrastructure: 82nd Street subway station needs improvements, tree pit improvements, potholes fixed faster... and also give the developers with many storefronts the ability to offer lower leases for some smaller, local shops (we can dream!).

I understand now that because I live at 73rd Street and 35th ave, I live in a different demographic than I would see at 82nd street and 37th avenue. But, why are people waxing nostalgic about the small stores in this area? Do you really like the proliferation of 99 cent type stores?

If we had decent stores and restaurants like those in Astoria, I would understand your horror that a large store is opening a mini mall in this area. But many of the stores in this area are are slummy. There are no first rate supermarkets, no decent bakery, the decent non-Boarshead delis are gone (previous italian and russia-polish delis). I have no real hope for decent stores in the Bruson building because they would have announced something by now.

The Target store is very small compared to any other City Target I can find online. It is not like they are opening BJ's on 37th avenue. As someone said it is only a little larger than Foodtown.

I doubt that everyone is happy with the stores in JH. I see the Freshdirect truck all the time in this area. I get a delivery at least once a week. It is outlandishly expensive. I would rather have decent local stores.

Sure, I could have been more diplomatic and not said "slummy" but I couldn't think of a better word to describe almost bodega like stores.

The prices of co-ops in JH have risen dramatically recently and still we argue about a Target store, which isn't even up-scale. It seems to be in Elmhurst and it is replacing a derelict movie theater. 

Maybe some people with connections could work together to get some decent stores here. It does not seem that this is happening evidenced by the inaction at the Bruson building. (and the management of the Bruson bldg.'s aspirations to get a Burger King.)

Apologies for the ramble.

(someone asked about charcuterie and artisanal cocktails, good luck with that.)

I'm having a negative reaction to your post.  I don't think Foodtown is "slummy" and the fact that you find any store that you consider "bodega-like" to be "slummy" is your problem.  This is what I worry about when people talk about gentrification.  We're "slummy" if we don't have a Whole Foods?  Also, you may not think that the bakeries around here are "decent" but, for me, Cannelle and Lety's are far more than decent.

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Re: Target coming to jackson Heights
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2017, 11:56:51 AM »
I am trying to see the positive developments that may come from this. I don't think this chain invasion would spill over to 37th for the most part. 82nd Street Partnership seems to really be courting them, though. Let's hope these chains contribute (monetarily and by pressuring the City) to improvements of the surrounding infrastructure: 82nd Street subway station needs improvements, tree pit improvements, potholes fixed faster... and also give the developers with many storefronts the ability to offer lower leases for some smaller, local shops (we can dream!).

 
I understand now that because I live at 73rd Street and 35th ave, I live in a different demographic than I would see at 82nd street and 37th avenue. But, why are people waxing nostalgic about the small stores in this area? Do you really like the proliferation of 99 cent type stores?

If we had decent stores and restaurants like those in Astoria, I would understand your horror that a large store is opening a mini mall in this area. But many of the stores in this area are are slummy. There are no first rate supermarkets, no decent bakery, the decent non-Boarshead delis are gone (previous italian and russia-polish delis). I have no real hope for decent stores in the Bruson building because they would have announced something by now.

The Target store is very small compared to any other City Target I can find online. It is not like they are opening BJ's on 37th avenue. As someone said it is only a little larger than Foodtown.

I doubt that everyone is happy with the stores in JH. I see the Freshdirect truck all the time in this area. I get a delivery at least once a week. It is outlandishly expensive. I would rather have decent local stores.

Sure, I could have been more diplomatic and not said "slummy" but I couldn't think of a better word to describe almost bodega like stores.

The prices of co-ops in JH have risen dramatically recently and still we argue about a Target store, which isn't even up-scale. It seems to be in Elmhurst and it is replacing a derelict movie theater. 

Maybe some people with connections could work together to get some decent stores here. It does not seem that this is happening evidenced by the inaction at the Bruson building. (and the management of the Bruson bldg.'s aspirations to get a Burger King.)

Apologies for the ramble.

(someone asked about charcuterie and artisanal cocktails, good luck with that.)

I'm having a negative reaction to your post.  I don't think Foodtown is "slummy" and the fact that you find any store that you consider "bodega-like" to be "slummy" is your problem.  This is what I worry about when people talk about gentrification.  We're "slummy" if we don't have a Whole Foods?  Also, you may not think that the bakeries around here are "decent" but, for me, Cannelle and Lety's are far more than decent.

I did not mean that Foodtown was 'slummy'. I mentioned all of the 99 cents type stores.

Cannelle? In the East Elmhurst shopping center? I do not consider that being anywhere near JH. Can you imagine the uproar if someone wanted a shopping center like that in JH?

JH was always gentrified. JH invented co-ops! My point is that the stores do not reflect the co-op JH, they reflect the poor immigrant JH.