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Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« on: August 10, 2016, 11:26:48 PM »
http://ny.curbed.com/2016/8/6/12392924/jackson-heights-homes-for-sale

Four homes worth seeing in Jackson Heights this Sunday
These one- and two-bedroom apartments range from $429,000 to $699,000 and offer tons of space




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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2016, 02:08:32 PM »
I am in shock about how quickly that Linden Court unit moved...and at that price too! $429K for roughly 700 sq ft (probably more like 650 actually) in a walk up? For the record this was exactly the same layout as several LC one bedrooms my husband and I have toured in the past year. Simply calling the LR a bedroom seems to be enough for some people. As a person who has dreamed of living in Jackson Heights for the past 3 years...I am slowly seeing that dream suffocated with each overpriced unit that comes on the market. Deep sadness.

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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2016, 08:25:37 PM »
Price is determined by what the market will bear. "Overpriced" by what standards? Who gets to say what is overpriced? We bought our JH apartment 5 years ago, and it was overpriced then, meaning it was pretty much the highest price paid at that time for the type of apartment it is--I did a lot of research. But we really wanted it, so we paid what we had to pay to get it. Four or five years earlier, we might have gotten it for much, much less--when those were the prevailing prices. Too bad, we got to JH when we did, not five years earlier. Now our apartment would go for a big chunk more than we paid. Overpriced would mean it was priced higher than comparable apartments at that time. Demand--and prices--have recently gone up a lot in JH. This does not mean that the apartments are overpriced, simply because prices are higher than they were a few years ago. It means the market has changed. 

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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2016, 09:44:35 PM »
I am in shock about how quickly that Linden Court unit moved...and at that price too! $429K for roughly 700 sq ft (probably more like 650 actually) in a walk up? For the record this was exactly the same layout as several LC one bedrooms my husband and I have toured in the past year. Simply calling the LR a bedroom seems to be enough for some people. As a person who has dreamed of living in Jackson Heights for the past 3 years...I am slowly seeing that dream suffocated with each overpriced unit that comes on the market. Deep sadness.

Have you checked MLSLI.com ?  It seems like sometimes I see apartments listed on the MLSLI that are lower than the prices I see for similar apartments on the JH-focused boutique realtors' sites.  For example there is a one bedroom at Dunnolly Gardens listed for $200K.  I was under the impression that one bedrooms at Dunnolly were going for closer to $300K at the moment.  So who knows, maybe you could get lucky with an estate-condition unit that someone's relatives just want to get rid of without doing the usual renovations and staging that bring prices so high.

(Make sure you read the descriptions, because I did notice a few very underpriced units that are underpriced because they have an RS or RC tenant occupying the unit and will not be delivered vacant.)

Southridge and Northridge apartments tend to be very affordable.  Maybe there is something that keeps the values low that would make you not want to buy there, but it might be worth a look.

Good luck!

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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 07:52:16 PM »
This 200k in Dunolly is tenant occupied, I think. No way you could find 1 BR there for 200k. I saw few for 260k+ and even 300k+

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2016, 08:48:03 PM »
Hi ljr,

For the record I am actually basing my "overpriced" pronouncement on recent previous sales of similar layouts/sq footage/maintenance charges in Linden Court.

In the past 8 months this layout has faithfully been called a one bedroom. Now through the magic of a realtor's click, this listing is being billed as a two bedroom with a much heftier price. I leave it to you to decide if those renos are worth 90K. (And yes I am aware that this move comes from previous Plymouth Court listings that have successfully increased prices by similar tactics.)

Here was a lovely LC one bedroom unit, sadly adjacent to the subway so it was quite noisy. Same basic space. Great apartment. Sold for under 300K probably only because of the noise: http://streeteasy.com/sale/1216906

Here is another LC, that is still in contract mind you, that had an asking 340K. We shall see where this one lands but I believe after 65 day on streeteasy it likely only got to asking..not over. We shall see. Check back in a month or so... http://streeteasy.com/building/37_33-84-street-jackson_heights/200

Again here is this top floor, in a walk up 429K one bedroom now transformed into two: http://streeteasy.com/building/37_46-85-street-jackson_heights/42

This is what a two bedroom in LC actually looks like..and yes I am confident that today it would cost much much more than 429K..and rightfully so. Dazzling: http://streeteasy.com/sale/837619

I know the JH prices have skyrocketed since April 2016. It is a great area with a lot of demand and not a lot of inventory so a lot of it is justifiable. But realtors have been cranking up asking prices. Higher priced listings often languish on the market for months. Then there's the 2-3 months it takes to learn the actual sale price so I think this tactic is driving new listings up at a disproportionate pace. My two cents...

Thank you Shelby2 for your help.

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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 09:27:32 PM »
This 200k in Dunolly is tenant occupied, I think. No way you could find 1 BR there for 200k. I saw few for 260k+ and even 300k+

You're probably right, although the listings don't mention that fact.  https://www.coldwellbanker.com/property/78-11-35th-Ave-Jackson-Heights-NY-11372-MLS-2804292  I would imagine that a $200K apartment (even if it needs renovation) would be snapped up in a hurry if doesn't have a tenant, and other one bedrooms in that complex are going for $300K or more.

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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2016, 11:09:00 PM »
Ah ok, I was thinking about this one. I see now it is 2 BR: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7810-34th-Ave-APT-1A-Jackson-Heights-NY-11372/2104982193_zpid/

Huge Potential For The Investor. 2 Bedrooms, 2 Bath, Possible Third Bedroom. Tenant Occupies Apt And Unit Will Not Be Delivered Vacant.




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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 12:59:52 AM »
I know that prices are gettig really high really quickly. I wonder what that means in terms of appraisals and sales closing

We went into contract on an apartment about six weeks ago--ended up offering 13k over ask. (Getting it at ask would have been a steal.) The appraisal just came back at 9k under ask (one of the comps was from Feb and the appraiser inexplicably ignored a similar apartment in the building where we're buying that went for 32k more than we offered).

Desperately trying to find the 17k to go through with sale, because I think that in another few months, we won't be able to afford ANYTHING.


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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2016, 08:39:36 AM »
Frances,
I just wanted to wish you good luck in dealing with this sticky situation. Lately it has been tough going with such a small amount of inventory coming online. So I know you have a difficult decision here.

It is interesting to hear this place would be a steal at asking yet the appraiser feels it's 9K overvalued. If anyone out there can describe a few of the factors that create this discrepancy I would be super grateful to understand this better.

My husband has a theory (or is it just wishful thinking?) that JH prices are starting to flattening out. I do know a few of these inflated value, languishing listings that have been driving up prices in certain buildings have starting to go into contract. So in 2 months or so we shall see where these sales actually land. Fingers crossed a dose of reality might get things back in a more realistic zone for us...at least in a few buildings.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2016, 06:22:35 PM »
BEB,

I had the chance today to speak with the seller's broker (I went to see the apartment again). She was also furious about the appraisal, and stated that things have been selling for over ask, and appraising at those prices. She and I both identified one of the comp buildings as one that should not have been used, as it isn't really comparable  to "our" building, in terms of garden, lobby, building condition, etc...

Seems like the seller might be willing to come down? Nothing clear yet bc we just got the appraisal on Friday. I'll let you know how this plays out....

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2016, 07:37:28 PM »
Good luck, Frances! I've got my fingers crossed for a better price for you and easier process going forward!

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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2016, 07:26:27 AM »
BEB,

I had the chance today to speak with the seller's broker (I went to see the apartment again). She was also furious about the appraisal, and stated that things have been selling for over ask, and appraising at those prices. She and I both identified one of the comp buildings as one that should not have been used, as it isn't really comparable  to "our" building, in terms of garden, lobby, building condition, etc...

Seems like the seller might be willing to come down? Nothing clear yet bc we just got the appraisal on Friday. I'll let you know how this plays out....

Under-appraisal is VERY common in quick-changing neighborhoods that have low inventory - appraisals can't keep up with true market value because comps take a while to post. This happened to us when we sold in Carroll Gardens in 2013:

http://renov8or.blogspot.com/2015/09/fsbo-how-to-get-good-appraisal.html

There's not much you can do *after* the fact to get an appraiser to change their appraisal. Though if there were substantial mistakes made, for example if square footage was way off, you can definitely appeal to the appraiser. In cases like yours very often the seller and buyer will meet in the middle, splitting the difference. The buyer really wants the place and the seller usually is moving or buying something else and won't want to have to start again with a new buyer.

I remember what a nail-biting time this can be. Good luck - and welcome to the neighborhood!

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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2016, 07:50:41 AM »
[https://www.coldwellbanker.com/property/78-11-35th-Ave-Jackson-Heights-NY-11372-MLS-2804292  I would imagine that a $200K apartment (even if it needs renovation) would be snapped up in a hurry if doesn't have a tenant, and other one bedrooms in that complex are going for $300K or more.

Shelby, good eye. This was an awesome lead for someone looking for a one bedroom right now that with a little help could look beautiful. Looks like it sold for $230k.

http://streeteasy.com/property/8554377-78_11-35-avenue-2d

Someone got a great deal.

The listings with the fancy photos can help a buyer know how to visualize a space that's been maximized to full potential, but it's these listings with few photos (a clue that they're likely in estate condition) that are the ones to look for when you're a prospective buyer who feels you're quickly being priced out before you can even begin.


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Re: Curbed: Four Homes Worth Seeing in Jackson Heights
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2016, 08:01:13 AM »
I am slowly seeing that dream suffocated with each overpriced unit that comes on the market. Deep sadness.

Not sure if this is current - it says it's been on the market 178 days - but it's still current on the NU Realty site as well as streeteasy:

http://streeteasy.com/building/37_22-85-street-jackson_heights/41

Good luck with your search. I'm sure something will come along that's priced right. Hang in there. I love those Linden Court apartments. The awesome one was on the market when we were looking to buy and I LOVED it. But couldn't get DH to spring for a walkup.