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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2016, 02:30:12 PM »
Not really. Absentee landlords have to make provisions for snow fall. And if they don't, residents should lodge complaints. Enough complaints via 311, the city issues a fine.

exactly, after the snow melts. lotta good that does us today.

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2016, 02:48:24 PM »
Not really. Absentee landlords have to make provisions for snow fall. And if they don't, residents should lodge complaints. Enough complaints via 311, the city issues a fine.

exactly, after the snow melts. lotta good that does us today.

Had people taken the time to register a complaint last year, and the year before, and the year before, every time a business failed to take care of its sidewalks within 24 hours of snowfall ending, these businesses would have gotten the message that when you don't clear snow you get a fine. 

Or you could just stick to ineffectual complaining on a message board not related to city management rather than doing something that provides data to the city services responsible for enforcing snow removal. Why think ahead to the rest of the winter or next year when you can just whine about things not being taken care of today?

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2016, 02:55:34 PM »
Well, Captain Flannel, if you had also taken the time to file a complaint yesterday, you would have noticed that 311 wasn't taking snow removal complaints yesterday. They are today, and I did indeed file a complaint.

Again, I'm not complaining about 1-2 storefronts or single family homes. I get it. It takes time to get that done. But the owners of the Bruson Building are negligent here - they want to own that massive building, then they need to pay for maintenance.

And property owners have fewer than 24 hours after snow stops falling to clear their sidewalks.
http://www1.nyc.gov/nyc-resources/service/2489/snow-or-ice-on-sidewalks-report

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2016, 03:03:37 PM »
Well, Captain Flannel, if you had also taken the time to file a complaint yesterday, you would have noticed that 311 wasn't taking snow removal complaints yesterday. They are today, and I did indeed file a complaint.

Again, I'm not complaining about 1-2 storefronts or single family homes. I get it. It takes time to get that done. But the owners of the Bruson Building are negligent here - they want to own that massive building, then they need to pay for maintenance.

And property owners have fewer than 24 hours after snow stops falling to clear their sidewalks.
http://www1.nyc.gov/nyc-resources/service/2489/snow-or-ice-on-sidewalks-report

Indeed, and snow stopped Saturday night, so of course 311 wasn't taking snow removal complaints yesterday. 24 hours had not passed since the snow ended. And no, I absolutely did not call 311 to complain about snow removal yesterday because I've been aware for some years that property owners have 24 hours to remove snow.

I'm not sure why you're reiterating to me that the owners of the Brunson building are being negligent. I've given folks a solution to the problem. Call 311 and complain. That's how the city becomes aware there's a recurring and persistent problem. Complaining about it on a forum does not effect change.

 

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2016, 07:51:37 PM »
here come the serial complainers looking for something new to complain about.

Wow the sidewalks aren't completely clear the sunday morning after the 2nd largest snowfall in NYC history.

Who can we call! something must be done!

gimme a break...

I'm so glad you're in great shape and can navigate those crosswalks, Eddie. I guess you don't have children needing to get to school today or elderly parents who might have a doctor's appointment to get to. Or maybe you just don't give a damn about anybody but yourself. Congratulations on that.


I agree.  I saw and helped a lot of old people today.  I could see how nervous they were.   Im young and i was terrified myself.  I broke my ankle two years ago and i am traumatized.  My childs bus wasnt running today.  Had to climb up those mountains or go through ankle deep puddles on the corners just to get there.  I saw some superintendants and business owners were actually nice enough to clear them.  One old man was too terrified to move.  A bunch of people came with shovels and cleared the path for him.

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2016, 08:25:41 PM »
And my personal thanks to the man who gave this old lady a hand at the corner of 75th Street by the bus station. 74th Street at Broadway was impossible for me, but at least there was a cleared path around the green-fenced construction site. (Better going than the old driving school, I have to say!)

I walked up Roosevelt to 82nd Street to do a couple of errands. It wasn't too bad, except for a few miserable slush wades. The part of the block with the closed movie theater and surrounding shops appeared untouched, but too early to complain, I gather.

Could really use a google satellite or whatever that would give a close-up of the street and crosswalk surfaces for planning!


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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2016, 03:14:47 PM »
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Or you could just stick to ineffectual complaining on a message board not related to city management rather than doing something that provides data to the city services responsible for enforcing snow removal. Why think ahead to the rest of the winter or next year when you can just whine about things not being taken care of today?

Please don't be rude.

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Complaining about it on a forum does not effect change.

So what?  Sometimes people just want to vent.  Who made you the mayor of this site? I will complain about whatever is bothering me and the only person who is allowed to lecture me gave birth to me.

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2016, 05:08:51 PM »
I was pleased to see that the sidewalk in front of Rite Aid on 37th and 82nd was cleared. That was a first (or felt like it anyway). 

As a homeowner who was out of town for the storm, once I knew it was coming, I asked my neighbors to pay someone to clear the front of my house.

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2016, 06:28:30 PM »
since we're on it... an oped recommends that the city should take on sidewalk cleaning: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/opinion/slush-puddles-the-scourge-of-new-york-walkers.html

Seems reasonable. It had never occurred to me till this last snowfall, when I saw many older folks struggling to cross the streets in JH.


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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2016, 07:39:39 PM »
Considering the pleas to not drive but to use mass transit it would make sense to prioritize pedestrian access to nearby stations.

It wasn't too bad today, but oh those corner slush puddles! Why are the drains so seldom situated where the water accumulates?

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2016, 08:44:29 AM »
Considering the pleas to not drive but to use mass transit it would make sense to prioritize pedestrian access to nearby stations.

It wasn't too bad today, but oh those corner slush puddles! Why are the drains so seldom situated where the water accumulates?

If the city's snow removal actually prioritized pedestrians, they'd have equipment to clear the sidewalk cutouts and would dig out the bus stops. I caught the Q33 yesterday and marveled at the four foot snow bank in front of the bus stop and clear to the corner.  Ideally, they wouldn't cover the street drains with mountains of snow, but practically I don't know how the sanitation department can keep them open with this much snow.

I think of cities like Montreal, which I know actually hauls away the snow rather than just pushing it to the side, and wish the city would examine what they do differently than NYC.

BTW, has the snow been removed yet from in front of the building where Gothic Cabinet Craft was located? If not, call 311 and complain.

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Re: Sidewalks not cleared
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2016, 02:12:34 PM »
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Or you could just stick to ineffectual complaining on a message board not related to city management rather than doing something that provides data to the city services responsible for enforcing snow removal. Why think ahead to the rest of the winter or next year when you can just whine about things not being taken care of today?

Please don't be rude.

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Complaining about it on a forum does not effect change.

So what?  Sometimes people just want to vent.  Who made you the mayor of this site? I will complain about whatever is bothering me and the only person who is allowed to lecture me gave birth to me.

There is absolutely nothing rude about pointing out that whining on a formum not in any way associated with the agencies actually responsible for enforcing snow removal is ineffective and an entire pointless activity if the whiners actually want change to occur. You can whine all you like, but don't turn up the whining three more levels when someone points out whining does not change anything about the situation you are whining about. You may not like these sentiments, but the fact that you don't like them doesn't make them rude.

And look at that. I am lecturing you now. You are not required to take the lecture seriously, or respond.