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« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2015, 03:00:35 PM »
Just to bring things back momentarily to the initial questions--why here?  Why specifically 74th to 82nd on Roosevelt.  And I agree with the earlier post that it brings an overall seediness to an otherwise really great neighborhood.  Why here--more than any other place I've seen in NYC, at least since the 80's and 90's?  We have a very visible police presence here (and that's a good thing) so what do they do/think about our little gauntlet?  And, again, if there's just nothing than can be done to stop it, then why is it pretty much (again, as far as I've seen) ONLY here?

It's not only here, though. It's a city-wide issue. It's also in nice parts of Manhattan: K-Town, Midtown, UES, in particular. It's just not as noticeable there because the enterprises here are lower caliber and thus require public "advertising" to drum up business. If the solicitors weren't on the street, this thread probably wouldn't exist and people would go back to not caring as much anymore.

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« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2015, 03:46:35 PM »
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140718/kew-gardens/roosevelt-avenue-is-epicenter-of-nyc-sex-trafficking-officials-say

QUEENS — Roosevelt Avenue in Jackson Heights is “a mecca of human trafficking” where women from countries including Mexico, the Dominican Republic and Venezuela are being sexually exploited, elected officials said Thursday.

And Queens is the center of the city's trafficking problem, with nearly 60 percent of the city's victims who come forward looking for help.

Roosevelt Avenue has a number of brothels, state Sen. Jose Peralta, who represents Corona, Elmhurst and Jackson Heights, said at a press conference where he discussed an initiative to provide foreign-born victims of sex trafficking with free legal representation on immigration issues.

“Roosevelt Avenue is a mecca of human trafficking in Queens and throughout the five boroughs,” Peralta said.



There are gangs “that are participating in bringing women from all over the world," he later told DNAinfo New York.

“They bring them right to Roosevelt Avenue,” the state senator said. “It’s really a hub and epicenter of human trafficking.”

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Kika Cerpa, who was a victim of sex trafficking, said at the conference that she came to New York from Venezuela, following her boyfriend, when she was 17.

Her boyfriend's family was involved in the sex trafficking business and took away her passport, telling her she owed them a lot of money.

“They told me that the only way I could pay it all was by working in a brothel on Roosevelt Avenue,” she said.

Cerpa, who was on the verge of tears as she read a statement, said she was trafficked for the next three years and “moved from one brothel to another." During that time, she said she was arrested several times for prostitution and treated like a criminal, not a victim.

That situation changed for many women who are victims of sex trafficking when the Queens Human Trafficking Intervention Court was created last year, she said. The initiative assists people arrested on prostitution charges by treating them as survivors who need support.

The city's Family Justice Centers also provide help to victims of sex trafficking and domestic violence with counseling, shelter and legal assistance. The first of four such centers opened in Brooklyn in 2005. The center in Queens opened in Kew Gardens in 2008.

According to statistics provided by the Mayor’s Office to Combat Domestic Violence, more than 120 sex trafficking victims have sought services at the these centers since 2005. Some 56 percent of those victims asked for help at the Queens Family Justice Center.

Several pro bono immigration attorneys will be available at the Queens center through the initiative unveiled Thursday, which is a collaboration between the Mayor's Office to Combat Domestic Violence, Sanctuary for Families and the Queens Human Trafficking Intervention Court.

The initiative will "connect survivors of trafficking in the borough of Queens to specialized pro bono immigration services provided by some of New York City’s top lawyers," said Rosemonde Pierre-Louis, commissioner of the Mayor’s Office to Combat Domestic Violence.

The lawyers can help eligible victims to apply for T visas, which allow some victims of human trafficking to temporarily remain in the U.S. and work, Pierre-Louis said.

Victims can also get guidance on applying to have criminal convictions related to trafficking vacated.

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« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2015, 04:10:26 PM »
We are not alone of course.  Sunnysiders had similar issues:  http://sunnysidepost.com/2014/06/05/daily-news-greenpoint-ave-a-hotspot-for-prostitution/

Why it's here is worthy of a city planning thesis.  It's not ex nihilo that's for sure.  Certain businesses tend to flourish when located near similar establishments and bars are one of them.  My guess why bars which cater to immigrant hispanic males seeded on Roosevelt is because it's a major transit hub surrounded by heavily Latino neighborhoods.  Dudes can frequent them when they get off work, whether they live in Woodside, Elmhurst, JH, Corona or even father afield  Cheaper rents due to the elevated train allows for they type of place that a guy who doesn't make too much money and whose family is still in the old country is interested in.  The bars generated a certain patron population and that patron population had a demand for sex which the hookers satiated and the two businesses fed off of one another.  Since its so hard to stamp out and because the bars were located under the elevated, a sort of combat zone mentality developed, for fear that it might spill out into other areas.  I'm no cop, but I can imagine the difficulty in enforcing quality of life issues should it spill over.  Do you arrest the transvestite wearing a 5 o'clock shadow and knee high boots fishing out by the Renaissance School at 7 in the morning and if you do, under what pretenses?  What do you do to the guy who speaks to her?  It's just easier to keep it in a place where there are no schools or synagogues. 

So what is to be done?  I see the following options:
1.  Legalize it,
2.  Keep the status quo,
3.  Drive them the hell off of Roosevelt so they can go somewhere else,
4.  Get rid of the bars, so they can go somewhere else. 
5.  Effectively end prostitution with an expensive time consuming war, much like our successful war on drugs. 

What do you think should be done?  If there is another option, I'm all ears. 

The third one suits my pocketbook just fine, as my property value would certainly go up.  The fourth is even better, as maybe someone with a decent selection of IPA's would move in.  I suppose then I wouldn't see it as much and the thought of forced sex trafficking wouldn't bother me so much.

Just to mention nail salons, true, they are legal and there are abuses.  Is the answer to make them illegal?  How about alcohol abuse and drunk driving.  Prohibition?

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« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2015, 11:43:03 PM »

Just to mention nail salons, true, they are legal and there are abuses.  Is the answer to make them illegal?  How about alcohol abuse and drunk driving.  Prohibition?

No. I was saying that just because prostitution is legal doesn't mean that the human trafficking and abuse is going to go away.

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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2015, 04:20:14 PM »
I come from a Western country that has legalized prostitution since the early 1980's...so, basically I have grown up in a place where the legality/morality of it is a non issue...And has been for a generation or so.  I believe that the way it was legalized was the workers themselves lobbied...to the government for protection from health issues/safety issues/sex trade trafficking/etc...which were prevalent when everything was underground. 

And that swayed the government to act and legalize prostitution (with strict caveats)

What that did was ensure that the workers had regular medical health checks (required by law) and paid taxes and I believe it stamped out the underground sex trafficking problems...because once workers discovered there was a legal avenue to help themselves...(I believe one was set up)...they often availed themselves of that route.

I realize that the USA, in general, is far more puritan in its outlook...and more easily shocked...but similar issues exist the world over...and the rest of the world does deal with them in various ways... Though I imagine, no method will ever be a perfect solution...to an age old situation.

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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2015, 10:55:01 PM »
I come from a Western country that has legalized prostitution since the early 1980's...so, basically I have grown up in a place where the legality/morality of it is a non issue...And has been for a generation or so.  I believe that the way it was legalized was the workers themselves lobbied...to the government for protection from health issues/safety issues/sex trade trafficking/etc...which were prevalent when everything was underground. 

And that swayed the government to act and legalize prostitution (with strict caveats)

What that did was ensure that the workers had regular medical health checks (required by law) and paid taxes and I believe it stamped out the underground sex trafficking problems...because once workers discovered there was a legal avenue to help themselves...(I believe one was set up)...they often availed themselves of that route.

I realize that the USA, in general, is far more puritan in its outlook...and more easily shocked...but similar issues exist the world over...and the rest of the world does deal with them in various ways... Though I imagine, no method will ever be a perfect solution...to an age old situation.

So then why were the nail salon employees abused and taken advantage of? That business is legal. I'm just trying to draw the parallel and figure out how that will fix it.

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« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2015, 11:30:18 AM »
I believe the situation is more complicated here due to the undocumented immigrant status of many involved.

And I imagine that causes a massive fear to go to any Govt authority... to insist on one's rights... because of deportation.

So, here in the USA, I would say exploitation rackets... be they nail salons or prostitution... thrive thanks to fear of deportation of the victims.

Thus the problem is two-fold.  Undocumented immigration AND exploitation.

If those being exploited felt safe to pursue legal avenues...without deportation...they would be more empowered. And take charge of their own predicaments...as has happened elsewhere in the world.

Here in the USA both issues, undocumented immigration and subsequent  exploitation... would need to be addressed properly...in order for the challenges of sex trade/prostitution/etc to be solved.

Does NYC have the courage to "bite the bullet" and face these hurdles? 

Maybe the upcoming generation of New Yorkers might!

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« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2015, 07:34:34 PM »
I believe the situation is more complicated here due to the undocumented immigrant status of many involved.

And I imagine that causes a massive fear to go to any Govt authority... to insist on one's rights... because of deportation.

So, here in the USA, I would say exploitation rackets... be they nail salons or prostitution... thrive thanks to fear of deportation of the victims.

Thus the problem is two-fold.  Undocumented immigration AND exploitation.

If those being exploited felt safe to pursue legal avenues...without deportation...they would be more empowered. And take charge of their own predicaments...as has happened elsewhere in the world.

Here in the USA both issues, undocumented immigration and subsequent  exploitation... would need to be addressed properly...in order for the challenges of sex trade/prostitution/etc to be solved.

Does NYC have the courage to "bite the bullet" and face these hurdles? 

Maybe the upcoming generation of New Yorkers might!

You've hit the nail on the head. It goes deeper than just legalizing prostitution. I have no idea what to do about it, though.

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« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2015, 10:47:36 AM »
Perhaps we need to organize a protest in front of these places-they are happy to exploit here because they are comfortable- if they aren't comfortable they will move.

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« Reply #69 on: June 27, 2015, 01:28:39 PM »
I like this idea. Would be great to have all the families with carriages in tow.

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« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2015, 08:56:56 PM »
Wouldn't recommend it. Mobsters aren't polite when money is involved.

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« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2015, 11:22:29 PM »
Are any of these joints legit places to get a good backrub?

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« Reply #72 on: July 02, 2015, 12:12:35 AM »
How much is it without the sex?   :D
Time is running out!

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« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2015, 03:12:06 AM »
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