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Offline madalyn

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2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« on: July 24, 2012, 07:31:19 PM »
2 new stores in the 80's and they're both CHICKEN :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:

I think we're shooting for 2 chicken places on every block.  I never ate Kennedy's Fried Chicken but I know they open in all the poorest neighborhoods in the city.  The business on 37th Ave. between 84th & 85th Sts. looked promising because they fixed up the store front nicely but, alas - Pollos by Alex.

I give up on ever having really super food around here!

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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 07:58:18 PM »
madalyn, i am in no way defending kennedy's -- which is no relation to kennedy fried chicken -- but in terms of really super food around here?

ayada
upi jaya
phayul
la fusta
louie's
cannelle
coatzingo


and in terms of very good to excellent?
ranger bbq
mumbai grill
delhi heights
la portena
himalayan yak
rabjhog
zomsa
UFC

jackson heights is known around the city as a dining destination, trust me.

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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 08:23:23 PM »
I guess the word "super" is relative.

I have lived in Jackson Heights since 1983 and have tried most of the places you mentioned.  Of all of them, I would rate only Cannelle and Ayada as super.  Quite a few of them are "acceptable" to me but super - no way!

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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 10:01:25 AM »
i've only lived here for 17 years, so i am admittedly something of a newcomer to the area.

but i dare say your opinion stands in stark contrast to a goodly number of food world professionals and visitors from outside queens, or outside the state altogether.

different strokes for different folks  i suppose

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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 10:03:00 AM »
Madalyn what restaurants do you consider "super"?
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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 10:57:13 AM »
Of the ones mentioned, that I have tried, Cannelle & Ayada.

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 11:00:42 AM »
i've only lived here for 17 years, so i am admittedly something of a newcomer to the area.

but i dare say your opinion stands in stark contrast to a goodly number of food world professionals and visitors from outside queens, or outside the state altogether.

different strokes for different folks  i suppose

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Opinions are just that - opinions.  I don't claim to be a food critic but, having experienced many fine restaurants in my (so many) years, often the restaurants that are written up as wonderful are not so, to my taste.  An example of that is the Jackson Diner.  Zagats and many other publications listed that as the go-to place in Jackson Heights for Indian food.  Althought I think it's better now than it was when I moved to J.H., I wouldn't call it superb.  Acceptable, yes - super no. Again - just my opinion.

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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 07:58:04 PM »
Having lived in Astoria for over 10 years and then being in Jackson Heights for about a year, I think what it might be lacking is a bit of diversity in the types of restaurants here.  While many of the Indian, Asian, and Latin American restaurants are excellent, if I'm not in the mood for that type of food I'm a bit out of luck.  What I would do for good Irish pub food.  And everything closes pretty early.  There's one Italian restaurant that's decent I know of on Northern, but are there others?  Having said that, I've learned to accept that I can't have everything here and visit Woodside, Sunnyside, Astoria, and LIC on a regular basis.  One thing is for sure - the transportation is far better than Astoria and has led me to explore much more of what Queens has to offer.  Which is awesome.  Also, our greenmarket is amaaaaaazing. 

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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 08:03:19 PM »
What I wouldn't give for a delicious pasta place or a nice bistro-type place!!

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 11:11:48 PM »
I, meaning me and my wife, totally agree with Madalyn.  We both come from Astoria, and were a bit spoiled by the diversity of eats in that neighborhood.  Jackson Heights has great food, but I would love to see a diversity in types of restaurants.  And yes, how bout a great Irish pub like Sweet Afton, that families can go to during the day and get great eats, and people can go to and socialize at night over a pint?  E77 is great and gets it, but lets face it....it feels a bit cramped.  It should be two or three times the size, and then I would frequent it more.  .Or how bout a trendy joint or two, with some new and exciting types of cuisine a la Ovelia or Bare Burger in Astoria?  I think there is a market, no a need for these types of restaurants in Jackson Heights.  They have em in Sunnyside, Woodside, LIC, Forest Hills, etc, and if I had money I would invest in something new and exciting here because I think it would make a killing. 

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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2012, 08:25:38 AM »
There definitely is a market.  Why someone doesn't do it, mystifies me.  Gosh, even the first person to open a real gym would make a killing. 

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Re: 2 New Stores in the 'Hood
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 01:18:42 PM »
Walk a little bit west to 61st street area, Cuckoo's Nest for Irish-type. Also, Fresca la Crepe is right there too.

Parts of Astoria probably has more diversity in terms of elitist to street dweller type dining, but I don't think there's any place in the world that can match our cultural diversity.

Madalyn, you have high standards!

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2012, 02:49:44 PM »
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There definitely is a market.  Why someone doesn't do it, mystifies me.  Gosh, even the first person to open a real gym would make a killing.


Because the rents are too high in JH. Most restaurants have a razor-thin profit margin and wouldn't be able to cover overhead costs and rent.  I was surprised to find out how much higher commercial rent in JH is compared to a trendy neighborhood like Smith Street in Brooklyn. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 03:29:08 PM »
I get that rent is high.  What perplexes me is how all these discount stores and chicken spots seem to pop up and flourish like rabbits even with rent being so high.   I have no idea how the real estate market sustains itself.  But I've definitely just come to accept that this is the way things are, and have started to focus on what I do appreciate about Jackson Heights.  Which is a lot.  Quite a lot.  And then I use our great transportation to take me to other areas when I want those things that are not here.

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2012, 04:01:04 PM »
Jeff, I've heard good things about Fresca La Crepe, and have dined and listened to music at Cukoos Nest.  What I am speaking specifically about is Jackson Heights.

Madalyn, for a good bistro I would consider Uncle Peters in the 80s on Northern.

 I also find it hard to believe that rents would be higher in JH over, say, 30th ave in Astoria.  Also, within Jax Heights the rent varies.  For instance, the higher you go streetwise the lower the rent.  Hence, Heads Ain't Ready moving to 81st street.  What I think it boils down to is a restauranteur willing to take a risk.  Someone at some point in Astoria said, "Hey, maybe we don't need another greek joint.  Maybe something different would work!"  JH is already a foodie destination, but I just think it could be more.  What we don't need is another "A La Brasa" or Tandoori Chicken House.  For that matter we don't need another eyeglass joint, hair salon, cell phone or dollar store.  I know many of you agree.  IMO it would be the joint that breaks through in a different direction that would be extremely successful.  And as far as overhead, food does have a low profit margin, but liquor rakes in the profits.  This neighborhood deserves a great neighborhood bar and hang!  

Daisy, you do have good points.  Don't get me wrong, I support Jax Heights and want to see it grow.  As far as disappointing store fronts and rent, there is this thrift store on 81st and 37th that for at least three years has had VHS tapes like Alf, the third season in its storefront.  There is also a fabric store on 37th that has nothing but a couple rolls of fabric in its window.  How these places make it I don't get it.  

When speaking of Non-ethnic businesses in Jax Heights, I feel there are only four businesses that "get it."  Those would be Espresso 77, Table Wine, The Lemon Farm and Inner Peace.  They have well designed and inviting businesses (I wish E77 was bigger!!) with interesting and diverse products and a hip flair.  JUST MADE 4 U sort of gets it by including crepes on their menu, but they need to diversify further.  For instance, there is only one chicken crepe option, and its slathered in a cream sauce.  If they really wanted to step it up they would also work on their breakfast options.  Lety Bakery sorta gets it, but I have had some stale pastries there, as well as a red velvet that was more pink than red.  They could take a note from Marthas in Forest Hills or Astoria to see how it is really done.  BTW, has anyone noticed that there is nowhere to get a good muffin in the hood?  Alas, I digress.

In summary, the above mentioned businesses have only been around a few years at best.  The neighborhood will change, eventually.  Look, in 1995 astoria was not trendy, L.I.C and Williamsburg were sketchy, and Park Slope (in many ways our sister historic neighborhood in Bklyn) was just beginning to shine.  Jackson Heights has so many great things to offer already, and I feel strongly that it will only get better.