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No. You misunderstood my post. Random folks are telling people what to do. And often, it's mixed messages.

I don't think I misunderstand your post. Here is what you wrote:

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The real trouble is that because of mixed messages from leaders...An example of this is that De Blasio (etc) is saying wear masks when social distancing is impossible.

We can certainly agree that random people who barely passed high school science and question the guidance experts in infectious disease feel empowered to tell others what to do (i.e. you must wear a mask at all times outside, even when no else is near you!). But where are and what are the mixed messages from leaders you posted about? And what are the mixed messages presently? What is Cuomo saying today that is different from what other leaders are saying today (or since late March)? In New York at least (we know other governors have been dismissive of mask wearing, but they are changing their tune now that the virus is impacting their states).

The only confusion that occurred about wearing a mask was back in March when the CDC and others following the CDC's lead were putting out the message that masks should be reserved for the sick and health care workers. Even the guidance to wear a face covering in public came late, which I believe likely contributed to my loved one contracting the virus.

Please understand that many more people died in the city because of the delay in changing the message to "wear a face covering when you can't socially distance, even if you aren't feeling ill," and that this isn't a topic to try to get points on to "own" people you consider internet adversaries.

There are real people behind these posts, and many people in this neighborhood (and likely users of this board) have suffered terrible personal losses that we believe can be traced back to lousy guidance back in March at the federal level, which influenced the state and local response. This is a topic to have compassion for users about, not one to focus on a need to win an internet argument about.

Please do not assume that I do not have folks who have died due to COVID in my family or have not been affected by the death of parents of my friends.

Having folks who died by COVID still doesn't make us experts on COVID... or give us the moral high ground to berate others.

 

you've made it abundantly clear -- in dozens, if not hundreds of posts -- that there's no room on the higher ground for anyone but you. it's quite amusing, really.

Quote from: CaptainFlannel on July 12, 2020, 06:55:06 AM

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No. You misunderstood my post. Random folks are telling people what to do. And often, it's mixed messages.

Please do not assume that I do not have folks who have died due to COVID in my family or have not been affected by the death of parents of my friends.

Having folks who died by COVID still doesn't make us experts on COVID... or give us the moral high ground to berate others.

Please do not assume that I do not have folks who have died due to COVID in my family or have not been affected by the death of parents of my friends.

Having folks who died by COVID still doesn't make us experts on COVID... or give us the moral high ground to berate others.

I have done no such thing.

As previously state, I have asked you to please understand that this isn't a topic to try to get points on to "own" people you consider internet adversaries and that there are real people behind these posts.

Once again, you wrote:

The real trouble is that because of mixed messages from leaders...An example of this is that De Blasio (etc) is saying wear masks when social distancing is impossible.

I've asked three times, what mixed messages from leaders are you referring to? And which leaders?

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Please do not assume that I do not have folks who have died due to COVID in my family or have not been affected by the death of parents of my friends.

Having folks who died by COVID still doesn't make us experts on COVID... or give us the moral high ground to berate others.

I have done no such thing.

As previously state, I have asked you to please understand that this isn't a topic to try to get points on to "own" people you consider internet adversaries and that there are real people behind these posts.

Once again, you wrote:

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The real trouble is that because of mixed messages from leaders...An example of this is that De Blasio (etc) is saying wear masks when social distancing is impossible.

I've asked three times, what mixed messages from leaders are you referring to? And which leaders?

Ok.

The major mixed message (Cuomo, De Blasio)  is TO WEAR MASKS WHEN 6 FEET SOCIAL DISTANCING is not possible.

In other words, TO NOT WEAR MASKS WHEN 6 FEET SOCIAL DISTANCING is possible.

Meanwhile, folks are yelling to wear a mask...even when 6 feet social distancing is present.

These are definitely mixed messages.

As for Pence and Trump, who are our leaders, after all, whether we like it or not, their messages concerning masks are ALWAYS confusing.

In this neighborhood I have been yelled at twice.

Once, a person yelled at me for WEARING a mask, hissing that didn't I know masks don't work?

Another time, my mask had slipped and a passerby yelled to fasten it. Tho at least 6 feet was definitely the distance between me and anyone else.

My take is that these two random angry folks...and no doubt both consider themselves EXPERTS...should be placed in a room to duke it out.

And leave me out of it.

The major mixed message (Cuomo, De Blasio)  is TO WEAR MASKS WHEN 6 FEET SOCIAL DISTANCING is not possible.

In other words, TO NOT WEAR MASKS WHEN 6 FEET SOCIAL DISTANCING is possible.

Meanwhile, folks are yelling to wear a mask...even when 6 feet social distancing is present.

These are definitely mixed messages.

As for Pence and Trump, who are our leaders, after all, whether we like it or not, their messages concerning masks are ALWAYS confusing.

Okay, first let's establish that random people yelling at you on the street for wearing a mask/not wearing a mask aren't leaders, so they don't count in your posting about leaders sending mixed messages.

So what you're really trying to say is that leaders in New York have been clear and consistent in their messaging about mask wearing (wear a mask outside when in situations where you can't maintain a fair distance from other) at least since mid-April, but at the federal level the messaging on mask wearing has been inconsistent and confusing (Fauci and the actual experts say wear them when you're around other people, Trump/Pence don't even wear them in public until recently)?

If that's what you're saying, I agree with you. It's only confusing to those who give weight to proven ignoramuses who eschew things like evidence and science, which unfortunately is not an insignificant number.

In this neighborhood I have been yelled at twice.

Once, a person yelled at me for WEARING a mask, hissing that didn't I know masks don't work?

Another time, my mask had slipped and a passerby yelled to fasten it. Tho at least 6 feet was definitely the distance between me and anyone else.

Yeah, I've experienced the same thing, more than twice. I've had people yell at me from across the street that I'm a terrible person for having my mask or bandanna around my neck when the other person and I the only people on the block. The vitriol has been pretty bad at times and during the early grieving process that it was really hurtful. I try to remember now that most folks acting that way were operating out of fear and stress. Though that's no excuse for some of the nastier comments.

i would argue most parts of queens / the 5 boroughs are tough places to be able to remain 6 ft apart from each other.

that's where the confusion lies. some people agree, some don't.

imo the message should be: 'going outside? wear a mask. nyc is too crowded to remain 6 ft apart from people'

from there people can use their own judgement. ie, if im walking down the street at 3PM i'm likely running into no one.

the problem is that ppl have their masks at the ready but then pass by someone / a bunch of people and mean to put it on, but since they've hardly worn a mask in all their years of living, they don't have the reflex to put it on their mouth and nose.

once again, 34th ave is not the place to not wear a mask. i've yet to see a runner ducking each and every person walking down the street in favor of their straight line, so it should be mandatory that everyone does.

i imagine some won't agree.

Has anyone notice the large amounts of folks in travers not wearing masks? On Saturday, while walking my dog there was a large group of people doing Zumba in the small tennis court area. The instructor was not wearing a mask and most participants weren't either. They were extremely close to one another as well. I don't understand how people can be so careless and think this is ok during a pandemic. Our area was hit hard and I personally have lost loved ones and neighbors. I HATE wearing a mask but do so to protect myself, my family and others.  If this continues we will undoubtedly have a second wave here.

Has anyone notice the large amounts of folks in travers not wearing masks? On Saturday, while walking my dog there was a large group of people doing Zumba in the small tennis court area. The instructor was not wearing a mask and most participants weren't either. They were extremely close to one another as well. I don't understand how people can be so careless and think this is ok during a pandemic. Our area was hit hard and I personally have lost loved ones and neighbors. I HATE wearing a mask but do so to protect myself, my family and others.  If this continues we will undoubtedly have a second wave here.

I saw that Zumba class too and it was very crowded. People were very into it and the music was fun but the whole thing seemed DANGEROUS! Why was it allowed in the already crowded park. Not sure who is monitoring the park but this is a recipe for disaster- the one called the second wave.