Author Topic: Outdoor Dining (Read 6065 times)

itsit · « **on:** June 09, 2020, 06:50:08 PM »

Does anyone know what the plans are for Phase 2 openings for our local restaurants? I heard something about Cafe Eloise in shopping center organizing some restauranteurs there. It would be great to give more business to those on Northern Blvd and 37th Ave.
Anything in the works that you know of?

dssjh · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2020, 07:45:21 PM »

i'm not on Northern enough to've taken a close look, but the sidewalks on 37th are just too narrow to make it work. you need six feet of distancing, and if you try to move six feet from a table, you're walking in the street -- and the storefronts themselves are quite small. you could only fit one table in front of the Arepa Lady or (if and when it opens), Swim Two Birds.

frances · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2020, 09:18:06 PM »

This text comes from Business Insider, but I've read it elsewhere.

"Restaurants in "commercial corridors" will be able to convert parking spaces for dining service.

They will need to supply their own barricades and planters to block the area from the road.

The city will allow restaurants to register and certify themselves online to expedite the process, but they must comply with guidelines like not blocking bus stops, fire hydrants, and intersections."

dssjh · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2020, 09:26:21 PM »

after all the whining about zipcar taking three (3) parking spaces on 37th, i can't wait to see drivers' reactions to losing dozens for outdoor dining.

jh35 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2020, 01:49:20 PM »

Quote from: dssjh on June 09, 2020, 09:26:21 PM

after all the whining about zipcar taking three (3) parking spaces on 37th, i can't wait to see drivers' reactions to losing dozens for outdoor dining.

In San Francisco people can use parking spaces for a small park... parklets.

https://groundplaysf.org/parklets/

StevenGrey · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2020, 03:02:44 PM »

Quote from: dssjh on June 09, 2020, 09:26:21 PM

after all the whining about zipcar taking three (3) parking spaces on 37th, i can't wait to see drivers' reactions to losing dozens for outdoor dining.

If you want a serious proposal for phase two, convert 37th Avenue into the open street and reopen 34th Avenue to normal traffic. That would allow all the restaurants, bars and cafes along 37th to put tables out on the sidewalks, leaving the middle of the avenue open to pedestrians. (Or conversely, have the street be the seating areas and leave the sidewalks for pedestrians.)

itsit · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2020, 06:02:41 AM »

Opening 37th and Northern for restaurants to use the parking spots or the actual full street, say from 5-9pm on Fri, Sat and Sunday should be possible. So many other areas are utilizing street spaces and reviving their restaurants. Since part of living in Jackson Heights is the amazing selection of food, we need to be creative here to keep them making realistic profit margins. The smaller percentages from this covid time are not going to sustain these businesses unless they get a real boost somehow.

Outdoor dining, outdoor dining, outdoor dining....

frances · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2020, 08:29:48 AM »

Quote from: itsit on June 11, 2020, 06:02:41 AM

Opening 37th and Northern for restaurants to use the parking spots or the actual full street, say from 5-9pm on Fri, Sat and Sunday should be possible. So many other areas are utilizing street spaces and reviving their restaurants. Since part of living in Jackson Heights is the amazing selection of food, we need to be creative here to keep them making realistic profit margins. The smaller percentages from this covid time are not going to sustain these businesses unless they get a real boost somehow.

Outdoor dining, outdoor dining, outdoor dining....

It's going to be way more extensive than 12 hours/week.

https://ny.eater.com/2020/6/4/21280420/outdoor-dining-de-blasio-coronavirus-nyc-restaurants

abcdefghijk · « **Reply #8 on:** June 11, 2020, 09:31:27 AM »

Quote from: frances on June 11, 2020, 08:29:48 AM

Quote from: itsit on June 11, 2020, 06:02:41 AM
Opening 37th and Northern for restaurants to use the parking spots or the actual full street, say from 5-9pm on Fri, Sat and Sunday should be possible. So many other areas are utilizing street spaces and reviving their restaurants. Since part of living in Jackson Heights is the amazing selection of food, we need to be creative here to keep them making realistic profit margins. The smaller percentages from this covid time are not going to sustain these businesses unless they get a real boost somehow.

Outdoor dining, outdoor dining, outdoor dining....

It's going to be way more extensive than 12 hours/week.

https://ny.eater.com/2020/6/4/21280420/outdoor-dining-de-blasio-coronavirus-nyc-restaurants

This is GREAT for summer. But what happens in winter?

Heated tents?

Realistically, it will take about 2 years for a vaccine to be ubiquitous if we are lucky, I suppose heated tents on streets could be a solution.

Though it's all a bit of a mess really for the restaurant industry. And many other industries like events and theater and cinema etc, etc.

What the virus is demanding is less density...more space.

And there simply ain't much space to spare in NYC.

dssjh · « **Reply #9 on:** June 15, 2020, 04:09:43 PM »

It seems that some local establishments have decided they can start serving in "outdoor cafes," despite the fact that the practice is explicitly banned for now. Hope they can afford the fines they'll incur -- which are not minor, according to the state.

Matt · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2020, 09:32:57 PM »

I first noticed this in LIC a few weeks back. It wasn't outdoor dining, but a few bars were serving drinks through windows to people hanging out on the sidewalks. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in ordinary times!

I have mixed feelings though. All of these businesses are being creative and are taking risks in order to survive.

I have started noticing this here too. People are becoming impatient.

dssjh · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2020, 09:37:35 PM »

people were impatient in 1918, too, from all the century old reports i've read. that contributed to the massive death toll of second and third waves. but, hey, the entitled need their mimosas, so full speed ahead.

Shelby2 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2020, 09:46:11 PM »

Quote from: dssjh on June 16, 2020, 09:37:35 PM

people were impatient in 1918, too, from all the century old reports i've read. that contributed to the massive death toll of second and third waves. but, hey, the entitled need their mimosas, so full speed ahead.

One thing I read about the history of the Spanish flu is that a lot of deaths were blamed on Philadelphia's decision to hold a large parade in September 1918. I realize coronavirus and flu are not the same disease, but there's been so much emphasis on how it's so hard to transmit the coronavirus outdoors. I guess that was just not true of the Spanish flu? I really hope they are right about outdoor transmission of coronavirus being difficult.

This is an excerpt about Spanish flu and the parade: "Within 72 hours of the parade, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled. In the week ending October 5, some 2,600 people in Philadelphia had died from the flu or its complications. A week later, that number rose to more than 4,500. With many of the city’s health professionals pressed into military service, Philadelphia was unprepared for this deluge of death."

Minimal4me · « **Reply #13 on:** June 17, 2020, 05:43:32 PM »

Quote from: Matt on June 16, 2020, 09:32:57 PM

I first noticed this in LIC a few weeks back. It wasn't outdoor dining, but a few bars were serving drinks through windows to people hanging out on the sidewalks. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in ordinary times!

I have mixed feelings though. All of these businesses are being creative and are taking risks in order to survive.

I have started noticing this here too. People are becoming impatient.

I saw this too on Northern Blvd. Several bars were serving drinks. People were milling about on the sidewalk and curb, many not wearing masks and definitely not 6ft apart. It's sad. We have no plans for restaurant dining-even outdoors. We'll see what happens in states that opened before us, but I'm expecting increased cases of the virus.

itsit · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2020, 08:11:45 AM »

I hope that the smaller restaurants here know about this! It would be a shame if all the business went to the best networked folks who know how to navigate the new rules. All of our restaurants are deserving of this unique chance to survive the pandemic.
Let's spread the word please!

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