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Offline theplanesland

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2018, 11:49:16 AM »
i was hoping for Swim Two Birds to get rolling as well, since it's at our corner. but three years in -- and despite "rumours" (as someone put it) of a soft opening in May -- i'm running out of hope.

I moved here because I wanted to own, not rent, and we were living in a neighborhood that was all rentals. Also, I wanted more than one subway line, in case one of 'em went down (and that has paid off!) And I wanted a busy place, very pedestrian focused, with a lot of street life. Oh, and a place I could afford. We were also looking at Sunnyside and Forest Hills, but Sunnyside's dependency on the 7 train and Forest Hills' broad, quiet avenues both turned me off a bit. Western Jackson Heights was, and is, a perfect fit.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 09:05:48 AM »
It's obvious from the tone of the original post that this was not a sincere question. It's troll-bait.

I moved here because I love pharmacies and dollar stores.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 10:35:50 AM »
dssjh - if you're looking for a fine dining experience, I highly recommend ADDICTIVE 87.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 11:15:53 AM »
It's obvious from the tone of the original post that this was not a sincere question. It's troll-bait.

I moved here because I love pharmacies and dollar stores.

Thank you for the laugh! Couldn't agree more.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 11:51:41 AM »
I moved here to avoid the sensory overload of walking on grass.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2018, 12:09:49 PM »
I moved here to avoid the sensory overload of walking on grass.

explains why you eschewed the rolling hills of Williamsburg and the verdant meadows of LIC.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2018, 12:15:18 PM »
I moved here for the awesome transport options to Manhattan and elsewhere.

And learned to love the neighborhood.

Cool, hopefully with continued respect.

I moved here solely to oppressively homogenize the neighborhood by putting it into a white yuppie blender so it tastes just like pablum, seasoned with POC tears, a juice to remind you of the blandest of suburbs.


I appreciate your honesty.


talk about begging the question. if you actually read the threads involved over the last 10 years, there are a wide range of nuanced responses to "why we want quality food in a good atmosphere" while not wanting to turn this into a goddamn lillywhite mall.

 when you ask in good faith, good faith answers will be given. meanwhile, troll better, jo3.

I read the nuance a little differently. Often I see people asking for things like 'atmosphere' and 'ambiance' which just reads like 'i want something like the neighborhood in brooklyn i moved from' aka what I like to call gentrification

(also lol that the person starting this thread registered on JHlife in dec 2017 to sell a " vintage danish mid-century teak hutch."),

Curious to know what this observation is meant to suggest?

I really don't understand why jo3 is attacking the Queensboro. Perhaps he is a competitor and is losing business to the Queensboro?

I actually apologize for including the Queensboro in this thread, as a) it's been misconstrued that i'm using it as a scapegoat for what I think is problem on this message board and b) i don't even want it to fail, I just wish I enjoyed what I ate when I ate it.

I ate there one night after a school day and it was packed. It's clear the place will likely succeed due to teachers needing a drink after school, and people in the neighborhood valuing things like 'atmosphere' and 'ambiance'

A competitor I am not, I don't even think one (a competitor) exists in the neighborhood, another reason the restaurant will likely succeed. Regardless, i'll move on from them.

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hoping I can impart my point of view in hopes to enlighten.

I don't seek enlightenment from you, Master jo3boxer, but thanks!

I used to think you were sane, you made some clear points in the past, but eventually your posts started to focus on minutiae, unnecessarily, and you've outed yourself as bored and petty.

Pardon me for not stating this in my initial post, but I have zero interest in your 'input', positive or negative.

It's obvious from the tone of the original post that this was not a sincere question. It's troll-bait.

I moved here because I love pharmacies and dollar stores.

Call it what you want, but I'm still genuinely interested.

What I see is a lot of people with enough privilege and entitlement to come to a neighborhood and strive to make it what they want, as opposed to coming to a neighborhood and respecting it for what it is.

What I see is a lot of people who saw the value in the land and not in the people that existed here before you. And so you bemoan the restaurants pre-existing for not having 'ambiance' and 'atmosphere' and having 'too much flavor' (this is not an exaggeration) and when you patronize restaurants NOT like this I don't think you understand the future repercussions (displacement, further gentrification, etc.)

What I see is people moving to the neighborhood and expecting it to be a one stop shop, asking for things that already exist a stones throw away.

And so what I am I interested in is knowing where you came from, where you existed before Jackson Heights and why our point of views differ. Your posts will enlighten me, and mine yours. You might not be asking for it, and that's the best thing about message boards: the ability to opt out.

It's easier to write this post off as 'troll bait' instead of just answering the question and providing your point of view. Sometimes I think that might be because the answers to the question is tough for even yourselves to swallow.

dssjh - if you're looking for a fine dining experience, I highly recommend ADDICTIVE 87.

I don't, I recommend going to any other gentrified neighborhoods and patronizing their fine dining. The food, drink and service at Addictive strikes me as sophomoric. They mean well, that was discernible, but I left unimpressed and unlikely to ever return. Regardless of that fact and opinion, I wish them well and I'm sure they will continue to succeed.


Thank you for the laugh! Couldn't agree more.

Everyone wishes there was something better than a Pharmacy or a Dollar Store, but all i'm asking is that you consider WHO is opening these businesses and WHY. I don't think anyone grows up hoping to one day own a dollar store. I do think they do what they might know is safe, risking a lot in investment, in hopes of providing for their families and themselves.

My parents moved to the neighborhood in 1976, so as a kid, I didn’t have much say in their decision to settle here, but I'm glad they did.  As you may know, there’s been significant change over the years in terms of the ethnic diversity we know of in Jackson Heights and its neighboring communities.  I think it’s unfair to characterize The Queensboro as some form of threat to the neighborhood as we know it.  What’s wrong with enjoying brunch locally? As a Latina, I get to enjoy a great share of my national cuisine here, but there are times I’ve had to travel outside of Jackson Heights to find the type of meals served at The Queensboro.  I’m glad the owners chose Jackson Heights, and I’m happy to support their business. That's the beauty of our neighborhood, we have choices, and now even more so.

Again, I apologize for including The Queensboro in this post. It was supposed to be a general POV of what I read between the lines on this board and the focus people have on the restaurant shows I did a disservice to my post by mentioning it.

With that being said, I assure you, you are the minority (on this board, not on the neighborhood). Being able to dually patronize both minority and majority businesses in the neighborhood is a luxury you should embrace. I don't think a lot of message board goers have the same point of view.











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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2018, 12:52:02 PM »
What does "sophomoric" mean in relation to a restaurant?

The point has been made that neighborhoods evolve and change over time, and the mandate you seem to put forth that JH should be frozen in time, like Brigadoon, that newcomers should not aspire to add to the neighborhood by opening new businesses—well, that is absurd.

The businesses in JH were different 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago—and they will be different in the future. Why do you have to denigrate people who want something that is not what you want? Why make a value judgment as to which desires are good and which are bad?

The Queensboro so far seems to be a hit, but so are the many "ethnic" restaurants in the area--many of which have been here a long time, others are new, like Sagar Chinese, but all seem to be thriving with eager customers.

So what is wrong with that? More choice, more variety, more of the diversity JH is famous for.

The arrival of The Queensboro or E77--here for maybe ten years now-- has not destroyed Phayul or Delhi Heights or Kitchen 79 or Thai Son or The Arepa Lady or Urubamba or El Chivito D'Oro or any of the other restaurants or food carts the neighborhood is famous for. 

Why begrudge people who want different options and suggest they should just go to Astoria or LIC and leave JH to be what it "is"? Why do you get to proclaim what JH is or should be?

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2018, 01:21:47 PM »
I arrived in Jackson Heights as a 5 year old in 1951 and remained on and off until 1978.  I return often to visit family. The Jackson Heights of today is so different from the 1950 version.  Please note that much of the world is also very different.  Change shouldn't be feared but embraced.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2018, 01:29:32 PM »

With that being said, I assure you, you are the minority (on this board, not on the neighborhood). Being able to dually patronize both minority and majority businesses in the neighborhood is a luxury you should embrace. I don't think a lot of message board goers have the same point of view.

Show your working please, mr "I assure you". Dozens of regular commenters on this board wax lyrical about both delicious authentic  existing POC-owned-and-run businesses.......and are hopeful for newcomers to broaden the experiences available in a walkable neighborhood that has something for all its residents.

You seem to think this is a zero sum game, that  one attendee at a new place=one less attendee of an existing restaurant.  This is not the case. People who want excellent thai food won't go to the queensboro when 79 or ayada exist. People who want a glass of wine and a bistro experience won't go to 79/ayada now that the queensboro exists.

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Opining: I think you're a traumatized gentrification victim, who is trying to absolve themselves from guilt at being part of the problem.

 Newsflash: if you move to a neighborhood and buy or rent an apartment because you are priced out of an existing one....or if you move to a neighborhood where you have higher than the median income, you are participating in a process which prices out existing residents. Other than leaving the city, there's no way to fight this on an individual level.  This can only be addressed with serious political will, and is likely beyond the scope of sniping on this board.

In:re restaurants. Jackson heights has a vast glut of restaurants - looking just at northern and 37th between 73-88 st, areas that bookend the historically middle-class historic district, there are more than 150 restaurants. . This is ignoring Roosevelt in this total. The arrival of one or two middle-class bistros isn't going to turn this into white hot Brooklyn.

This isn't williamsburg, where 10,000 new yuppie apartments are generated out of nothing on the waterfront, nor Bushwick where rezoning allowed the same. It isn't brownstone BK, where brownstone buildings  and other apartments that housed 3-6 families are converted to hold 1 yuppie couple absent half the year. It is its own thing, less likely to succumb to the extreme outcomes that your doom-mongering portends.

 I for one look forward to more sensible discussions than "bistro=doom"

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2018, 01:32:05 PM »
What does "sophomoric" mean in relation to a restaurant?



My guess is that "sophomoric" means fun.

Something GRINCHES hate.


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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2018, 02:02:38 PM »
I moved here for the snarky replies

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2018, 02:08:32 PM »
I love the idea that OP might actually think anyone has been enlightened by OP's deep thoughts.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2018, 03:23:29 PM »
The question is really, at this juncture of development, do you feel like a resident should adapt to a neighborhood or should the neighborhood adapt to the resident. And if it's the latter, you have to ask yourself why? Maybe it's cultural. I'm a Chinese immigrant, so my mentality has always been, I adapt to a new environment (i.e., assimilation) and I'm not making a moral judgment but I do find it fascinating that people would move to a neighborhood if what they want isn't necessarily all there and expect that the area could/would change. When we immigrated to the US, we lived in Williamsburg (where I lived for 20 years before moving to JH last year), it wasn't necessarily a choice. It was what we could afford. We trekked out to Chinatown every week for stuff we needed. It never would've occurred to my mom or me that we could expect a Chinese grocery store to open in Williamsburg. It was more like we accept some stuff are in certain neighborhoods in NY. And that might be another aspect of different perspective here, growing up in NYC, I have always operated on the understanding that a neighborhood wouldn't contain everything and that some things you just commute to.

I was super against moving to Queens (as I'm sure anyone who grew up in the boroughs could understand Brooklyn/Queens is oddly tribal), but I ultimately chose Jackson Heights because the apartments are great, the commute to my midtown office is really convenient and the availability of Thai, Indian/Bengali and Chinese food (in Elmhurst) and a Chinese grocery store were all very attractive. Plus, I was literally finding myself angry on my morning commute at seeing the number of white hipsters on my train, so for sure I suffer from gentrification trauma, but I wasn't getting priced out. I could've bought an apt in Williamsburg, but it's not like I can change the neighborhood, so I moved. Same reason why I didn't move to Astoria - trendy and filled with mediocre brunch spots. Of course by the same token, my moving to Jackson Heights would indicate that people in similar demographics would be moving there and therefore gentrification will be happening. That's unfortunate. Change happens pretty slowly. Back when Sea first opened in North Williamsburg, it was the only 'trendy' restaurant in a 10 (probably a 20) block radius and it was and is mediocre but people still flocked to it because there was nothing else like it. It's now it's blocks away from an Apple store and a Whole Foods. I don't think that will happen here but still you have to wonder who can afford to have restaurants here? People with investors or mom and pop shops with life savings on the line.

Jackson Heights was literally organized for white people to flee the increasing diversity of the city and imposed restrictive covenants against non-white residents, and that's when there were golf courses.  And why is it more diverse now? did white people get displaced by immigrants or was it white flight? drawing false equivalences as if history doesn't matter is intellectually dishonest and an extremely lazy argument, much like accusing someone of reverse racism - power dynamics matter. And you may not think there is a power dynamic here because you're not a billionaire but we all have privilege that some immigrants here do not. For example, the luxury of responding on a message board.

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Re: Why did you move here?
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2018, 04:29:27 PM »

Show your working please, mr "I assure you". Dozens of regular commenters on this board wax lyrical about both delicious authentic  existing POC-owned-and-run businesses.......and are hopeful for newcomers to broaden the experiences available in a walkable neighborhood that has something for all its residents.


to quote you: We are rooting for you to provide something that will afford under-served people in the neighborhood a classy and delicious restaurant with a grown-up atmosphere, and will provide you joy, satisfaction and a good living!

You might not hear it, but I do. "under-served"? lol wtf? like I've said, GO LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE IN NYC if you feel under-served. Stop.


You seem to think this is a zero sum game, that  one attendee at a new place=one less attendee of an existing restaurant.  This is not the case. People who want excellent thai food won't go to the queensboro when 79 or ayada exist. People who want a glass of wine and a bistro experience won't go to 79/ayada now that the queensboro exists.


You are spinning or a story about today and tomorrow. I'm talking about 5-10 years from now. . Again quoting you, reading about this 'under-served' demographic reads to me like parody. White people have places to eat, they are not under-served.

Also i've tried to move the focus away from food and on the the general rhetoric of this message board.

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Opining: I think you're a traumatized gentrification victim, who is trying to absolve themselves from guilt at being part of the problem.

It's silly for me to allow you to assume what I am, if i'm trying to make a point. So instead:

I am a second generation NYer, born to immigrant parents (from Dominican Republic and Ecuador), in Corona NY. I went to JHS in East Elmhurst. My grandmother still lives in the house I was raised in. My other grandmother lives in East Elmhurst. My familial roots are literally planted in the neighborhoods that are and surround Jackson Heights.

I am not a traumatized anything, and the fact that you would use the word absolve makes me think as a gentrifier you have a deep ridden guilt. Alternatively, I consider what I have as a responsibility to be respectful.

As I move I understand fully that the privilege my parents and their parents before have afforded me. So when I moved to Jackson Heights from Harlem, as I understood there, I knew I had a responsibility to respect the neighborhood as it was before I came. Note that this was a journey, at first I thought maybe halfway the way people on this board think, but I've since realized the place of privilege I come from and my thought process has changed.

Never have I felt under-served in Jackson Heights because if I wanted something it didn't offer, I know it's easy enough for me to hop on a train or bus to get to it. The idea that I as a resident am under-served is preposterous.

Newsflash: if you move to a neighborhood and buy or rent an apartment because you are priced out of an existing one....or if you move to a neighborhood where you have higher than the median income, you are participating in a process which prices out existing residents. Other than leaving the city, there's no way to fight this on an individual level.  This can only be addressed with serious political will, and is likely beyond the scope of sniping on this board.

I understand the POV of the last part of this quote, but I disagree. I think social media has a power people don't yet understand, although i'm not sure why on account of what it's doing to out the awful people in this country.

I also grew up on message boards  so I know that for every loud mouth like you or me, there are just a few people reading who can be swayed in either direction.

I love the idea that OP might actually think anyone has been enlightened by OP's deep thoughts.

Case in point, freddie.

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The reason that The Queensboro was brought up, which i've tried to move away from, is that I have no issue with a restaurant like it existing. i DO have an issue with mediocrity, something a lot of people in the world don't have.

As an example, someone in this thread literally reached out to Panera bread to open in Jackson Heights. WHAT?!

And so when you come here and take up space and are not even that good?

(again, the pizza. it wasn't good. it doesn't need to exist. If you're trying to argue with me about this point, let's agree to disagree)

And for the record, I have no issue telling everyone here that my 'reverse racism' gives all minority owned businesses a handicap. So when they open it doesn't even have to be good. I just hope it serves the purpose of 'putting food on the table', so to speak.

When the Queensboro opens, all bets are off.