Author Topic: Co-ops With Online Banking?  (Read 1377 times)

Offline JHReader

  • Tourist
  • **
  • Posts: 12
    • View Profile
Co-ops With Online Banking?
« on: April 01, 2018, 08:51:20 PM »
Hi neighbors,

I'm the new treasurer at one of the many co-ops in the neighborhood. We are a self-managed building, and we've always done things old-school, with paper maintenance checks each month. I'm hoping to give our residents the option to pay their maintenance electronically. Has anyone at a self-managed building set this up successfully? The roadblock I've encountered is that Zelle, which is the app that powers most inter-bank transactions (as I understand it) has a $1000 daily transaction limit. That's less than some of our units pay in maintenance, so it seems like a no-go. I'm looking for a workaround and would love any advice!

Many thanks.

Offline ljr

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 648
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2018, 09:04:05 PM »
I don't know about any special platform for e-payments, but we are a small, self-managed coop and we have our account at HSBC, and we have no problem having everyone pay electronically into our account, at least as far as I know. The setup you mention makes no sense--how can that be in 2018 when paper checks are nearly obsolete?

Offline lalochezia

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 819
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2018, 10:03:19 PM »
zelle doesn't play well with some credit unions as well.....

Offline MrPlaza

  • Council Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 289
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2018, 10:20:55 PM »
The daily limit for Zelle varies from bank to bank. For instance, my bank, Ally has a $5,000 daily limit. Chase and Wells Fargo is $2,500. USAA is $1,000. It varies too much to be the lowest common denominator.

Offline Shallot

  • Tourist
  • **
  • Posts: 13
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2018, 01:12:15 AM »
I live in one of the self-managed co-ops in the area and pay my monthly maintenance fee electronically via an ACH bank transfer.  As far as I know all banks accept incoming ACH transfers (I believe that's the standard mechanism used for direct deposit/payroll).  While not all banks support it (or at least not freely/easily), I'm under the impression that somewhere around half of the residents here pay electronically and I assume all do so using ACH (rather than something like Zelle).  My bank, USAA, has a $5k limit for such transfers.

Offline JHReader

  • Tourist
  • **
  • Posts: 12
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2018, 07:06:37 AM »
Got it. Thanks for the replies, all! Sounds like Zelle might just be a dead end for me since I have USAA, but not everyone in the building. LJR I would be curious to learn more about your actual payment process...presumably not everyone in your building has HSBC so how do you actually make maintenance payments each month? And Shallot, how do you actually set up an ACH transfer? I've been poking around the USAA website and it seems like online bill pay might work if we set up the co-op as a payee...is that what you did?

Offline ljr

  • Mayor
  • *******
  • Posts: 648
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2018, 08:14:13 AM »
This is all I know at the moment (our president, who knows all, is out of town)--our coop has an account at the bank. My accounts are with Chase, and I set up autopays for most of my bills, including maintenance, so I don't have to remember to make payments every month.

It does not matter where any of these payments go, when I set up "payees" in the account, I input the bank name, address, and our account number, where the maintenance payment goes. It does not have to be paid into a Chase account because I am paying from a Chase account. I don't recall doing anything more than that (though I might not be remembering--I started this 6 years ago when we moved here.) When I have to make additional payments to the coop like laundry fees, which we pay quarterly, I go into my "payees" list in Chase online, choose the coop, and just enter the payment and press send.

I choose when the bank is to send the payment when I set it up, say, on the 21st of each month for the next month. The system tells me when to send the payment so that it will reach the coop account by the first of the month. Chase actually sends a printed check, so you have to send out the payments about 5-7 days before the due date.

Sometimes there might be a glitch in the system. I think one of us once had her payments somehow get lost in the system and not reach the coop account--and that had to be sorted out. We have a couple of elderly tenants who may not be using this system--at least one of them does not use a computer-- and may actually visit the bank and deposit a check into the coop account. I really have no idea, but I am pretty sure that nobody is sending checks to our treasurer for him to deposit.

I do recall there being a bit of an issue because HSBC has no way of noting where each payment came from, so it's not so easy to figure out who did not pay if there is a shortfall in the account. Once there were missing payments, and we all got an email from our treasurer asking us to make sure we had paid every month, and to document that. It turned out that one person's bank had stopped sending her autopayments, because they had a rule that autopayments had to be confirmed every six months. She did not realize she was behind on payments.

Offline Shallot

  • Tourist
  • **
  • Posts: 13
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2018, 09:01:29 AM »
And Shallot, how do you actually set up an ACH transfer? I've been poking around the USAA website and it seems like online bill pay might work if we set up the co-op as a payee...is that what you did?

I'm not sure if bill pay could work, at least not in my case - the co-op wouldn't be sending a bill, and while I might be able to get the bank to send a monthly physical check (maybe billpay supports this?), I don't think that's any better than doing it myself.  What you'd like to do is set this up as an additional external account that you can then transfer to at will and for no cost.

On the USAA Site, My Tools > Add an Account, then follow the prompts.  If I remember correctly all I needed was the routing number (identifies the bank) and account number for the co-op's account; I don't think an "account name" was necessary.  I used the same method to add my own savings account at a different bank (higher interest rate than USAA).  I might have had to signal that I could only deposit/push into the co-op account and not withdraw/pull.

Once the account is linked (might take a couple of days), My Tools > Transfer between Accounts.  In addition to doing one-off transfers, you can set up an automatic/recurring transfer (which is what I do for the monthly co-op maintenance).  I use this method to push/pull money to/from my own account at a different bank.

Setting this up does not create a "backwards" link - meaning the co-op's account is not authorized to pull money from my account.

Offline JHReader

  • Tourist
  • **
  • Posts: 12
    • View Profile
Re: Co-ops With Online Banking?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2018, 11:03:58 AM »
Thank you so much for the detailed info, ljr and Shallot! I appreciate the leads and am looking forward to bringing our building into the 21st Century :)