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Offline jeanette

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2018, 10:18:17 AM »
Quote from: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
I suggest you tell Queens Neighborhood United not to use the g-word. Or are Latinos allowed to use it and G's not allowed to use it?

Don't censor, let them show their true colors.
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« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2018, 10:42:06 AM »
Hey this is an interesting article on the word.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2011/01/26/133117715/is-the-word-gringo-offensive-or-just-distracting

Apparently the Reuter's rule is it should be used in quotes.  Like "gringo". 

Clarity is EVERYTHING!

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2018, 11:01:45 AM »
Quote from: jeanette on November 16, 2018, 10:04:14 AM
Yes to abc, and according to Shelby2, QNU also opposed Target.

Other groups that fall under the same umbrella are Queens Anti-Gentrification Project and Reform Queens for Economic Justice. (Reminds me of the Syrian opposition groups, so fluid you never know who your enemy is.)

These folks seem to be against "everything," and everybody except Alexandria.

They are also very sensitive when they are asked who they are -- like their names/identities. I've seen this happen on their FB page, which I've looked at a few times during the height of the Target protests. They prefer to remain secretive, which I guess makes sense when they're posting all this kind of negative stuff all the time.

I also recall looking up their website on Whois.com about a year ago, before privacy rules were changed. (This was back when ostensibly you could look up the names of people who had registered a website.) At that time, the website was shown as being registered to a deceased 19th century socialist. So obviously they didn't want their real names used to register their website either.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2018, 01:35:07 PM »
First post -

DW and I were looking for a co-op in Queens and targeted Jackson Heights due to the affordability and proximity to our jobs in LIC and Mid-town, decent public schools, and great food options all along the 7. We are early 30's professionals. After a couple month search we had our offer accepted a few days ago and are looking forward to making JH our home. We are also happy to have Amazon make LIC official on the same day our offer was accepted, and consider this news as a bit of downside protection. Looking forward to the changes in LIC and consider this the start of a trend that hopefully continues for years to come. We welcome the changes and investment that an influx of tech companies and employees will bring to the area.

Sad to see so many activists and politicians speaking out against HQ2. They won't have my vote in the future. Change is good.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2018, 01:43:43 PM »
Quote from: Steeze on November 16, 2018, 01:35:07 PM
First post -

DW and I were looking for a co-op in Queens and targeted Jackson Heights due to the affordability and proximity to our jobs in LIC and Mid-town, decent public schools, and great food options all along the 7. We are early 30's professionals. After a couple month search we had our offer accepted a few days ago and are looking forward to making JH our home. We are also happy to have Amazon make LIC official on the same day our offer was accepted, and consider this news as a bit of downside protection. Looking forward to the changes in LIC and consider this the start of a trend that hopefully continues for years to come. We welcome the changes and investment that an influx of tech companies and employees will bring to the area.

Sad to see so many activists and politicians speaking out against HQ2. They won't have my vote in the future. Change is good.

Not all changes are good but I agree that HQ2 is good for Queens and NYC.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2018, 01:57:43 PM »
Quote from: Steeze on November 16, 2018, 01:35:07 PM
First post -

DW and I were looking for a co-op in Queens and targeted Jackson Heights due to the affordability and proximity to our jobs in LIC and Mid-town, decent public schools, and great food options all along the 7. We are early 30's professionals. After a couple month search we had our offer accepted a few days ago and are looking forward to making JH our home. We are also happy to have Amazon make LIC official on the same day our offer was accepted, and consider this news as a bit of downside protection. Looking forward to the changes in LIC and consider this the start of a trend that hopefully continues for years to come. We welcome the changes and investment that an influx of tech companies and employees will bring to the area.

Sad to see so many activists and politicians speaking out against HQ2. They won't have my vote in the future. Change is good.

Welcome to the neighborhood.

It seems lots of early 30-somethings are moving in. 

You'll find many peers here.  :)
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« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2018, 02:16:36 PM »
i've agreed with these folks on some of their crusades, and disagreed with them on others, but that cloak of secrecy -- which i wasn't aware of --is certainly creepy. it mirrors the "dark money" folks on the far right and that attitude is lousy from any part of the spectrum.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2018, 03:32:01 PM »
...Have yall seen Mountainview/Palo Alto and SF? I get that there are differences from NY but those places suck unless you have no soul or actual taste and just want packaged convenience
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2018, 04:16:59 PM »
Quote from: N00b on November 16, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
...Have yall seen Mountainview/Palo Alto and SF? I get that there are differences from NY but those places suck unless you have no soul or actual taste and just want packaged convenience

Looked online.  Mountainview/Palo Alto look really suburban.  Like Long Island or Westchester... that's nothing like urban NYC...

For NYC...in the 1900's it was the garment industry...in the 1950's it was advertising...in the 1980's onwards it was Wall Street...and now it's the tech industry's turn.  That's what's happening to NYC IMO.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2018, 04:46:33 PM »
you need to be visionary enough to look forward 20 years.

to see a homogenous landscape of glass boxes.

think outside the box.

the beauty of new york is that each passing decade leaves less room for variety.

and so on. and so on. visionaries have an endless litany of slogans. carry on.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2018, 07:11:28 PM »


Nostalgia is powerful. It is natural, human to long for the past, particularly when we can remember our histories as better than they were.   
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2018, 07:27:35 PM »
Quote from: abcdefghijk on November 16, 2018, 07:11:28 PM


Nostalgia is powerful. It is natural, human to long for the past, particularly when we can remember our histories as better than they were.   

*Roxanne Gay
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2018, 09:30:39 AM »
Welcome, steeze.

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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2018, 10:51:02 AM »
Here is just one of too many examples why there are so many misinformed people against HQ2.

A tweet by DC journalist/WH correspondent @HunterW:
"Peak New York: Amazon is being given land in Queens that was supposed to go for affordable housing. Now 1,500 homes are off the table."

This is the problem--journalists making stuff up, and impressionable (read: drama driven) people "learning" on social media.
1) The land is not being given, but sold.
2) The 1500 homes were ideas for "affordable" apartments within market rate residential buildings of 6000 units.
3) The apartment buildings had not even begun to materialize, in ink or otherwise.
4) LIC is already residentially over-developed.
5) Amzn is planning a school, just as had one of the aforementioned sites.
6) HQ2 = opportunities for everyone.

I used to live in LIC. I loved it. I can no longer afford to live there. I also can't live on Park Ave. or in the Dakota.
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Re: Amazon HQ2 in LIC? Yay or Nay?
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2018, 01:15:42 PM »
there are pros and cons.

i'm not sure how much Amazon is putting into the pockets of the developer that previously owned the land, but, according to Curbed, taxpayers are giving Amazon plenty:

" Amazon will receive $897 million from the city’s Relocation and Employment Assistance Program (REAP) and $386 million from the Industrial & Commercial Abatement Program (ICAP). It will receive an additional $505 million in a capital grant and $1.2 billion in “Excelsior” credits if its job creation goals are met."
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