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Offline CaptainFlannel

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2017, 06:02:26 AM »
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These ATMs are not cheap, and arguably not safe.

I don't know what kind of stores you think I'm talking about, but grocery stores,  99 cent stores along 37th Avenue, and drug store/pharmacies don't strike me as particular dangerous places to use ATMs during the day. Is there something about the ATMs themselves you are talking about that you think makes them unsafe?

You are right though, the fees are expensive. I was pleased to find an ATM machine near me that only had a 99 cent fee. I use a bank that reimburses ATM fees up to a point each month, but that just makes us be more mindful about how often we withdraw and where we withdraw cash from.

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You are better off spending $10 at the store and getting something for your money.

I disagree. I think I'm better off using a bank that reimburses my ATM fees (and offers interest on my balance) and having a bit of money in my pocket in case credit card and ATM systems go down for some reason. If you're interested in seeing what is available, check out:
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/060216/top-10-checking-accounts-no-atm-fees-pnc-ally.asp
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http://www.kiplinger.com/article/credit/T005-C000-S002-never-pay-an-atm-fee-again.html



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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2017, 09:29:50 AM »
Just responding to the question re: dangerous to use ATMs (I have no objection to cash, and always have some with me):

I think what jeanette might be referring to is the relative ease of putting skimmers on an ATM in a bodega vs. a bank. There has been a recent rash of such incidents in Queens, but it is a problem that has been going on for years. Here is one link, chosen very much at random

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/03/03/police-discover-skimming-devices-on-duane-reade-atms/

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2017, 01:17:07 PM »
thanks, Sam

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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2017, 03:43:17 PM »

every independent shop in LIC, astoria, manhattan has figured this out, they have no minimum because they are competing.   


I haven't visited every single shop in LIC, astoria, manhattan, but the ones I have visited do not offer coffee and pastries at the same price and quality as Lety's etc.

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2017, 03:52:19 PM »
Just read an article today about the closing of Angelica's Kitchen, a restaurant in the East Village. I know this thread was created mainly to discuss non-restaurant venues, but this quote struck me:

"McEachern said she knew she was taking a risk when she signed a new lease in 2014 — rent was $21,000 a month, plus utilities and taxes. She made several last-ditch efforts to save her business in its final years — introducing brunch and organic beverages, and accepting credit cards — but those efforts just ended up costing her more, she said."

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170324/east-village/angelica-kitchen-closing-friends-launch-fundraising-campaign

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2017, 01:03:35 PM »
^that reminds me, when I tip servers, hairstylists, whoever shampoos my hair at a salon, manicurist, etc. I always try to tip them in cash. Partly I never totally trust management to not pocket the tip or part of the tip. Partly I've waited tables in the past and I understand cash tips are less traceable for tax purposes.

Come to think of it, there are services where if you pay with a credit card, you will be charged sales tax, but not if you pay with cash (such as at a salon), you won't.

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2017, 10:17:32 AM »
Since we're talking about coffee, I had to leave espresso 77 without a coffee because I didn't have cash on me. Why is there $10 minimum when you charge manhattan prices in queens? Isnt $4 way more than enough to cover that small transaction fee?

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2017, 12:52:19 PM »
In short. No.

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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2017, 01:59:48 PM »
I had to leave espresso 77 without a coffee because I didn't have cash on me. ... Isnt $4 way more than enough to cover that small transaction fee?

but but but didn't Espresso77 lose a $4 sale? to save $13 cents?

I remember when E77 asked for donations to help them expand; the community came through. Couldn't a store set up a donation jar asking to help defray cost-of-doing-(credit card)-business? I know our neighbors would be willing to throw in a dime or quarter in order to have such a benefit for its customers.

Also, using your bank card as a debit should not incur fees to the store, or at least a lesser fee. Does anyone know the cost to the store for accepting debit cards?

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2017, 07:07:25 AM »
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Isnt $4 way more than enough to cover that small transaction fee?

It probably is, but the question isn't is it enough to cover the small transaction fee, but does the addition of the transaction fee make the cost of the transaction too high for the retailer to justify. The food business is notorious for running on small margins, so every nickel and dime makes a difference.

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I had to leave espresso 77 without a coffee because I didn't have cash on me.

Isn't there a bank right on the corner of 77th & 35th Avenue? You gotta recognize that *you* are making a choice as a consumer when you refuse to carry cash on you or will only make purchases at businesses that accept credit/debit for itty bitty purchases. That is an active choice to not patronize mom and pop businesses.

And sure, mom and pop stores that don't accept your cards for $4 purchases are making a choice too, but if there were a strong business case for taking debit/card for small purchases chances are that a successful business person would do it. A few people who feel entitled to use their debit/credit card at every business no matter how tiny the purchase probably isn't a strong business case. When those numbers grow and the business is losing a significant amount of business to a competitor that will take your card for a $4 purchase, they might change their mind.

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using your bank card as a debit should not incur fees to the store, or at least a lesser fee. Does anyone know the cost to the store for accepting debit cards?

I found this using Google to search "debit card fees for businesses" https://www.cardpaymentoptions.com/fee-sweep/debit-fees-explained/

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2017, 11:09:32 AM »
I don't think of myself as that old (in my 40's), but I am amazed when I go out with people in their 20's - and they literally have less than $5.00 in their pocket.  It's not like they don't have money or a job - they just don't carry cash.

I like cash - it's a universal language.  I keep an emergency supply, in smallish bills, hidden in my house for unexpected events (blackout, emergency repair, forgetting to get cash the day before the cleaning woman comes over, etc.).  I also typically withdraw an amount of cash that I think I will need for the week once a week.  It's simple, and there are often times when cash lets me cut the line ("next customer paying cash only," screams a cashier whose machines have broken down). 

The #1 reason for carrying cash -- discounts.  In any country in the world.  You can literally go anywhere and, if you tell the salesperson that you're paying cash, you can bargain down the price of anything.  We've done it on furniture, appliances, clothing, antiques - really, anything.  We were furnishing a family home abroad and went to a particular store for some furniture.  By the end of the transaction, we were given a 450 Euro chair for free, as well as discounts on the other items we purchased - all because we were paying in cash.

So yeah, I get that the credit card is convenient.  I also love using those self check-out lines at CVS - and I charge it even if it's only a couple of bucks.  But it won't kill you to have some cash on you, no matter where you go.

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« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2017, 10:21:53 PM »
This is interesting -- there are some NYC businesses that are credit/debit card only. They don't accept cash at all. Maybe this is the wave of the future.

The article mentions places like Dig Inn, Two Forks, Sweetgreen, and Bluestone Lane Coffee.

NY Times article:
Cash Might Be King, but They Don't Care

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2017, 09:16:56 AM »
if I ever had to drink Starbucks because I didn't have cash, it would be lesson enough for me to always carry cash

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« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2017, 10:36:45 PM »
I do think that cashless businesses are (eventually) the way of the future, but also worth noting that those places often charge more than the standard card minimum for virtually all of their menu items. That's fine, but it's a different business model than some of the places in JH with credit/debit minimums. Said minimums are usually around $5, and you'd be hard pressed to go into a Sweetgreen and find anything for under $5 (rarely would anyone wait in that line for only a drink, and even if you did, I think they're close to $4).


This is interesting -- there are some NYC businesses that are credit/debit card only. They don't accept cash at all. Maybe this is the wave of the future.

The article mentions places like Dig Inn, Two Forks, Sweetgreen, and Bluestone Lane Coffee.

NY Times article:
Cash Might Be King, but They Don't Care

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Re: if you have own a store in JH - please ditch the credit minimum.
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2017, 04:07:04 PM »

I had to leave espresso 77 without a coffee because I didn't have cash on me. ... Isnt $4 way more than enough to cover that small transaction fee?

Same here, I stopped going there after this happened twice. They have over priced coffee for the area and its nothing to rave about. I regret donating money for them to expand.

 
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