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Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« on: August 25, 2008, 09:50:56 AM »
Curious to hear what folks think about eh possibility of the Mayor and City Council overturning term limits or at least extending them. I think it's a long shot, but should it happen that has a pretty big effect on local elections including our City Council reps Helen Sears an Hiram Monseratte. Thoughts ?
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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 10:54:53 AM »
Curious to hear what folks think about eh possibility of the Mayor and City Council overturning term limits or at least extending them. I think it's a long shot, but should it happen that has a pretty big effect on local elections including our City Council reps Helen Sears an Hiram Monseratte. Thoughts ?

Bloomberg has definitely worn out his welcome, and should simply depart gracefully "off into the sunset". 

To me, he obviously wants to "have his cake and eat it too", and simultaneously he acts like Marie Antoinette by saying to the voters: "Let them eat cake!".  Many of these politicians obtained their positions thanks to term limits, and now they want to remove term limits so they can carve out their own dynasty/empire?  Do we really want a Bloomberg Dynasty here in NYC?   
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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 03:10:16 PM »
Curious to hear what folks think about eh possibility of the Mayor and City Council overturning term limits or at least extending them. I think it's a long shot, but should it happen that has a pretty big effect on local elections including our City Council reps Helen Sears an Hiram Monseratte. Thoughts ?

Term limits!  It seems more like musical chairs with the pols rotating through elected office every couple of years.  It might be more productive if some of them got real jobs for a while.

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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 10:46:06 PM »
I like Bloomberg's sense for business and numbers and while I disagree with his authoritarian way of doing things I find this Term Limits subject has really shown his true colors.  He is such a hypocrite and a power junkie.  Only a few days ago he was speaking about not looking to run again and even though everyone saw his real motives were different he insisted that therm limits were not related to his urge to be Mayor for a longer time.  Bloomberg's manipulative manner to amend NYC term limits is not a new one.  Giuliani wanted it and the subject has been debated to death. 

The controversial subject has pros and con's.  On one hand I see great leaders doing great things for our citizens and of course would hate to see their leadership go but the citizens have voted on this issue before.  Now 50 or so votes are supposed to repeal term limits because the backroom politicians are cutting deals with each other to make it happen.  You are witnessing blatant underminding of the peoples will, plain and simple.  Personally I am not against term limits because the people will vote whomever they want in office but the citizens have spoken and vote begore on this subject.  That's what democracy is suppose to be for.

Does anyone have a view or opinion on what Bloomberg is doing or how he is doing it?
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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 02:12:27 AM »
He should just run for governor.

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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 12:59:40 PM »
Time to go, Bloomy. 


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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 01:06:37 AM »
I'm not sure how appropriate it is to talk my politics here, so pologies in advance if I overstep a rule, but I am no fan of Bloomberg.  Any parent of a school aged child shouldn't be.

Under his "watch" (and with his mayoral control, he among all past mayors has the most culpability in any school shortcomings than any other), the schools have cut services for special needs kids drastically, created redundant administrations that make DOE stffing budgets "top heavy" (which in turn means less teachers can be hired, which in turn means larger class sizes), and too many other things to get into.

Now granted, Rudy wasn't much better, but he didn't have the mayoral control Bloomberg did (and actually ran on as a platform in 2001).  But here's the less political point:

In 2001, in the wake of 9/11, when Rudy went to being a hero (and no argument, he was good for the city dealing in that situation), there was talk of extending his term, even just a few months, or easing the new administration in with Rudy involved in some sort of capacity.

The most vocal opponent to that?  Then mayor-elect Bloomberg, who basically said that the law was the Rudy was out on Jan. 1st (2002).

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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2008, 07:19:17 AM »
Now that Bloomberg got his way I would like to see him loose in the next election.  Had the term limits been to vote again and repealed by the citizens I would have accepted a 3Rd or even a 4Th run for anyone in office.  It is after all the peoples choice.  Hopefully  the way it was done will have repercussions for those leaders that voted to repeal the term limits.  The worst part is that Bloombergs 100  million war chest is ready for his next election and historically the big money buys and persuades. 
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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 01:56:39 PM »
NYC is no longer a democracy. It is a monarchy.

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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2008, 11:45:13 AM »
NYC is no longer a democracy. It is a monarchy.

I think that Blomberg  is a great mayor and we are lucky to get another fours years from him.

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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2008, 02:15:50 PM »
Did any one watch Helen Sears cast her vote. She said her office was inundated with phone calls, they were unable to use their phones and she actually felt threatened. Despite an intense amount of pressure from her constituents she opted to ignore them and vote for the term limit extension.

Bloomberg may be a good mayor, but he has already won a third term without spending a dime. The City Council's vote was nothing more than an endorsement for his third term. How does this not fly in the face of democracy and choice for New Yorkers when any contender for the office has already been out spent and out endorsed ?
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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2008, 09:54:20 PM »
As much as I dislike how this was done Bloomberg has done a pretty good job and has had very high approval ratings so I can't imagine that anyone can beat him in 2009.

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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2008, 02:07:58 AM »
Christine Quinn came to Jackson Heights to march in the Halloween Parade.  This week she gave away candy; last week she away our democratic form of government.   :'(

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Re: Term Limits - Undermining the people's will?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2008, 10:55:16 PM »
I have to say I was tempted to say something to the politicians I saw at the parade, but really, I was there for my kid and his freinds (who ironically were photographed by someone recieving candy bags from the politicians, though I searched online and can't find the pictures).

The fact remains, like or hate Bloomberg (and I make my stance known but I don't know if that's appropriate here), if he wanted even the chance at a third term semi-legimately, he should have this put on the ballot this November.  His lack of trust in the residents voting that it would go through shows exactly how he is:  why chance the public vote of term limit expansion going his way when he can steal it ...
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2008, 11:21:57 AM »
I hear ya Rob on not wanting to approach electeds at certain times. But, we have to remember these people really do work for us, our taxes pay their salaries. These public appearances are probably the best way to directly access them and make sure they really hear what we have to say. Typical channels like letter writing or calling and office are often dealt with by a staffer / intern and never really make it directly to the ear of the politician. Sure, they get a report saying this many people said that etc. But it's a lot easier to ignore a piece of paper than it is a constituent standing right in front of them.

Ont he flip side there is no need to scream and yell at these people either, no matter how much we may want to. I have found that a simple "Hello, Mr./Ms. politician, I am a Voter / constituent / tax payer and I am very disappointed / very pleased with your vote on such and such" seems to work. The more we confront our elected, maybe they'll be more inclined to actually listen to us. Unlike Helen Sears who was "intimidated" by her constituents who called and asked here to vote against the term limit extension. 
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single man can inspire to victory an army of
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