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Re: Home sale prices on the rise across Queens
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2016, 08:41:40 AM »
I wonder how these $499k and $515k apartments are going to appraise, assuming that they go for anything close to ask.

Home appraisals at time of sale are basically shams, as the appraiser will be working with/for the bank providing the mortgage and will just appraise for whatever the sale price is, unless there is something seriously wrong. When I bought my place the appraisal was the exact amount I paid.

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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2016, 10:06:34 AM »
I wonder how these $499k and $515k apartments are going to appraise, assuming that they go for anything close to ask.

Home appraisals at time of sale are basically shams, as the appraiser will be working with/for the bank providing the mortgage and will just appraise for whatever the sale price is, unless there is something seriously wrong. When I bought my place the appraisal was the exact amount I paid.

That's fortunate for you. I went into contract on a place in June, and when we got the appraisal back a few weeks ago, it came in 22k under the sales price. Your experience isn't universal.

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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2016, 10:29:09 AM »
I wonder how these $499k and $515k apartments are going to appraise, assuming that they go for anything close to ask.

Home appraisals at time of sale are basically shams, as the appraiser will be working with/for the bank providing the mortgage and will just appraise for whatever the sale price is, unless there is something seriously wrong. When I bought my place the appraisal was the exact amount I paid.

That's fortunate for you. I went into contract on a place in June, and when we got the appraisal back a few weeks ago, it came in 22k under the sales price. Your experience isn't universal.

Any details you can share on why you think it came in 22k lower? Did the seller lower their price or did you put up more money?

I'm also of the opinion that for the most part, the appraisal industry is a sham. If the appraisal doesn't come in at the offer price, the transaction will likely fall apart. Banks make money on transactional volume, and if the loan is conforming then there is very little risk to the bank to transact the loan b/c they will turn it around and sell it right off to Fannie Mae.

It is usually only during down markets you will see appraisers come in with pricing that is at odds with the offer price, and that is more due to CYA than anything else.

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« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2016, 12:59:20 PM »


Any details you can share on why you think it came in 22k lower? Did the seller lower their price or did you put up more money?

It is usually only during down markets you will see appraisers come in with pricing that is at odds with the offer price, and that is more due to CYA than anything else.

Our lender and both brokers thought the appraiser was careless with comps, and apparently was really hard for everyone to work with. When I looked at the comps, there were def some questionable choices of apartments and buildings. The seller dropped their price a bit, and we're putting more money in.

We were all shocked, because the apartment was well-priced. It seems like he just didn't know the JH market at all. Very annoying.

We'll see what happens.

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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2016, 01:54:23 PM »


Any details you can share on why you think it came in 22k lower? Did the seller lower their price or did you put up more money?

It is usually only during down markets you will see appraisers come in with pricing that is at odds with the offer price, and that is more due to CYA than anything else.

Our lender and both brokers thought the appraiser was careless with comps, and apparently was really hard for everyone to work with. When I looked at the comps, there were def some questionable choices of apartments and buildings. The seller dropped their price a bit, and we're putting more money in.

We were all shocked, because the apartment was well-priced. It seems like he just didn't know the JH market at all. Very annoying.

We'll see what happens.

Who chooses the appraiser? If  broker or lender recommend/chooses someone who isn't familiar with the area, it's the BROKER or LENDERS FAULT (why are the broker/lender earning their fees?) and you should DIS-RECOMMEND this broker or lender to anyone.


 Their negligence just cost you having to find 22k!


 

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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2016, 02:25:59 PM »
A big reason why appraisals are much "tougher" now is because of all of the bank shenanigans that went on in the run-up to the crash in 2008.

During the last bubble, mortgage lenders put pressure on appraisers to approve whatever sales prices they wanted (often inflated) and banks would blacklist honest appraisers.

We got a seriously bad appraisal and ridiculous comps when we refinanced a few years back...it didn't matter in the end but I was pretty angry at the time. But I guess it's better than all the fraud that was going on!

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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2016, 03:17:21 PM »
Following up on NYC Peromyscus's comments...

Banks don't choose their appraisers anymore; they're randomly assigned.

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« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2016, 04:10:02 PM »
One of the biggest changes in lending guidelines, was that appraisals can only be ordered by lenders through third party intermediaries, who randomly select appraisers from their registered pool. It has made the appraisal process theoretically more "impartial", where no individual or entity could influence the decision.

The flaw in this, is that no criteria or a system is set for selection of the appraisers, as long as they are willing to travel to the area where they are assigned a job. Often flawed appraisal reports are attributed to appraisers unfamiliar with the market area or in some cases just lack of work experience. What are the odds of an appraiser who knows the area well and has a decade of experience under his belt will come in with the same impartial opinion as someone new to the area and newly licensed? My gut says - highly unlikely.

Also important to note, that although for sale appraisals and refinance appraisals comparative approach is used to arrive at value, appraisers are more likely to come in at sale contract price, than appraisers doing a comparative valuation for a refinance.

Remedy? - I'd say firstly it's important to understand that the lender appraisal is NOT A PRICE INSPECTION! It carries no more weight than one individual's OPINION of what something is wort for single purpose of managing a lender's risk. Nothing more. It in no way devalues a property. Property's worth is determined by what potential buyers are willing to pay for it.

Second, most appraisers welcome VALID data. When facilitating appraisals we always make sure to supply the appraiser with recent sale comps, active sale comps, building data and floor plan. This does not guarantee that the appraiser will agree with the data, or won't go out and try to find more, yet it decreases the margin of valuation errors.

Third - though not applicable in case of a refinance, in case of a sale, it's not taboo to discuss the possibility of lower bank appraisal with a potential purchaser. Especially with the knowledge that it's been known to happen from time to time. If a buyer is property educated on the market, they will not only stick with the deal in the event of lower valuation, but will press their lender harder to correct it.

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Re: Home sale prices on the rise across Queens
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2016, 04:24:15 PM »

Second, most appraisers welcome VALID data. When facilitating appraisals we always make sure to supply the appraiser with recent sale comps, active sale comps, building data and floor plan. This does not guarantee that the appraiser will agree with the data, or won't go out and try to find more, yet it decreases the margin of valuation errors.


Thankyou for this clarification, Armen et al.

Another reason to choose  a local, knowledgable, professional realtor who understands data,  who will then spend time to meet with the appraiser , and impress on them local prices and market conditions using VALID data.

IMHO This is one of the reasons good agents justify their commissions!


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Re: Home sale prices on the rise across Queens
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2016, 08:29:57 AM »
Finally the big reveal...photos for this 1 bedroom Berkeley with "flex"/EIK now priced 10K less at 489K. Yes that flex is still an EIK...not yet a nursery.
http://streeteasy.com/building/77_12-35-avenue-jackson_heights/b47

And lookie here the B67 unit that listed for 515K is already in contract! Can not wait to see where that price lands. http://streeteasy.com/building/77_12-35-avenue-jackson_heights/b67

BTW does anyone know if any of the Berk buildings has Fios available?

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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2016, 10:01:34 AM »
Finally the big reveal...photos for this 1 bedroom Berkeley with "flex"/EIK now priced 10K less at 489K. Yes that flex is still an EIK...not yet a nursery.
http://streeteasy.com/building/77_12-35-avenue-jackson_heights/b47

And lookie here the B67 unit that listed for 515K is already in contract! Can not wait to see where that price lands. http://streeteasy.com/building/77_12-35-avenue-jackson_heights/b67

BTW does anyone know if any of the Berk buildings has Fios available?

i just cant wrap my head around half a million for a 1 bedroom, un-renovated at that, and a maintenance of over $800 on top of that. Which is rather high for a 1 bedroom. You're looking at $1,000 a month after utilities.

And that's not a jr 4 to me, 7x7 is a closet or a nook, not a flex bedroom. And who would want a nursery right next to the kitchen stove? And you have to pass through the kitchen to get to it?

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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2016, 10:51:04 AM »
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i just cant wrap my head around half a million for a 1 bedroom, un-renovated at that, and a maintenance of over $800 on top of that. Which is rather high for a 1 bedroom. You're looking at $1,000 a month after utilities.

Wow, I know Wash. Plaza seems overpriced but this is a lot more than I paid for the 1-br. I bought (renovated, 915 sf).  And the maintenance is about the same.  I really like the floor they chose for the kitchen in the Berkeley unit but I think the bathroom reno looks really weird - the mix of traditional black and white tile with the new tiny tiles in the shower doesn't work (in my opinion).

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Re: Home sale prices on the rise across Queens
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2016, 11:12:05 AM »
Finally the big reveal...photos for this 1 bedroom Berkeley with "flex"/EIK now priced 10K less at 489K. Yes that flex is still an EIK...not yet a nursery.
http://streeteasy.com/building/77_12-35-avenue-jackson_heights/b47

And lookie here the B67 unit that listed for 515K is already in contract! Can not wait to see where that price lands. http://streeteasy.com/building/77_12-35-avenue-jackson_heights/b67

BTW does anyone know if any of the Berk buildings has Fios available?

i just cant wrap my head around half a million for a 1 bedroom, un-renovated at that, and a maintenance of over $800 on top of that. Which is rather high for a 1 bedroom. You're looking at $1,000 a month after utilities.

And that's not a jr 4 to me, 7x7 is a closet or a nook, not a flex bedroom. And who would want a nursery right next to the kitchen stove? And you have to pass through the kitchen to get to it?

Hey, I lived in Brooklyn when prices began to rise... and folks also couldn't believe what was being charged for co-ops etc. Now however, it's completely accepted.  10 years later...the same is happening in Jackson Heights.  I've said it before...it's demographic trends... The suburban experiment that started with Levittown after WW2 is no longer in fashion ( cars to faraway commuter communities)... whereas urban living is "a la mode" these days.    My prediction is that this will not stop...and next it'll be the  Bronx and finally Staten Island will join in.

I also believe that, ironically, the faraway suburbs...like Levittown will become cheaper.  And that's where folks will have to go if they can't afford urban living. This is exactly the inverse of how it has been since WW2...where the distant commuter suburbs were once THE DESIRABLE (and more expensive) HOTSPOTS to live in.  Quite a fascinating flip.

(For instance, Levittown housing prices have increased 2.5% in the past year.  But Jackson Heights prices have increased what?  50%?)

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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2016, 03:19:46 PM »
I don't really get why Berkely units are commanding such high premiums. I think certain buildings seem to go "in style". Like Carlton House all of a sudden started getting crazy high prices. And those units are rather far from the train and have pretty high maintenance.

Meanwhile this unit in Linden Court only asking $269k. Granted it's only around 700sq feet, but it can be used as a large 1 bedroom with a formal dining room, or even a small 2 bedroom.

http://streeteasy.com/building/37_34-85-street-jackson_heights/2

needs a reno of course, but even putting 30k into it still leaves you at 300k with a reasonable maintenance. I think this apt would function well as a smaller 2 bedroom with two real sized bedrooms vs the 7x7 nook off the kitchen in the Berkely apt.

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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2016, 03:52:29 PM »
I completely agree with you Eddie. But something I think a lot of people weigh more heavily is having an elevator and good proximity to the express train. I know in my JH apartment search it has been a constant struggle prioritizing price vs those two conveniences.

This concept of "aging in place" is something I think a lot about. I currently live in a five floor walk up. I am surrounded by people of all ages (literally 30-90!) that have difficulty with the stairs..even on lower floors. I had also recently spoken with a person that lives in Linden Court that regretted buying on the second floor 30-odd years ago. They weren't even 60 yet! Things like that can tip the scale and make people pony up more cash..especially if they are in it for the long haul. Just my two cents...