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Offline Superclam

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2015, 07:44:25 AM »
That shopping center is known, on google maps at least, as the Jackson Heights Shopping Center. There's also a store there called Jackson Heights Cards & Gifts. My friend who grew up right near there says they called it Jackson Heights.
I suppose my point is there are no official boundaries!

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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2015, 08:41:00 AM »
That shopping center is known, on google maps at least, as the Jackson Heights Shopping Center. There's also a store there called Jackson Heights Cards & Gifts. My friend who grew up right near there says they called it Jackson Heights.
I suppose my point is there are no official boundaries!

I also always believed East Elmhurst was the triangle between Astoria Boulevard and the airport (understanding that the airport is also in East Elmhurst.) When I was growing up, people on 32nd/33rd avenues in the 70s were totally in "Jackson Heights." I just looked up McClancy HS on 31st Avenue, and the school says it's in "East Elmhurst - Jackson Heights." The Web site for the Lexington School on 30th says it's in East Elmhurst, but its official Facebook page - also run by the school - says it's in Jackson Heights. I suspect we may all just have to acknowledge that there's a gray area in the low 30s.

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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2016, 06:36:57 PM »
Just out of curiosity, I just contacted Google maps to ask why they are not going by the zip code designation of the areas when they put "Jackson Heights" in the entire area out to LGA.  11369 and 11370 are both East Elmhurst, and they start at Northern Blvd, but this is not reflected in Google maps.

Another weird thing is that according to Google maps (depending on how you search) you could be in both East Elmhurst and Jackson Heights at the same time.  For instance, if you're standing on the corner of 30th Ave and 77th St. or 25th Ave and 80th St., in one view you would be in Jackson Heights and in another, you'd find yourself in East Elmhurst.  I think that is really confusing, regardless of your opinion of where the neighborhood boundaries are.





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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2016, 09:12:24 AM »
Hmm- The eastern border- I'd say 90th, on the Roosevelt side and Junction on the 34th side.
Also, I've solved the JH vs. East Elmhurst debate, with a new name- between Northern and 31st Ave, let's call it No-No...North of Northern, anyone?

My section needs a new name- 85th and Roosevelt is JH, Corona and Elmhurst all combined, due to the border Roosevelt makes for precincts, Assembly, school district, council district. They are all very skewed there, and depending on the concern, different identifiers work better than others.


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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2016, 04:50:16 PM »
The boundaries are clearly defined, but the name Jackson Heights sounds the best.

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2016, 06:07:18 PM »
I'm not sure why naming matters. Jackson Heights would only benefit of getting rid of the physical and imaginary boundaries of Northern Blvd.

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2016, 06:24:03 PM »
I'm not sure why naming matters. Jackson Heights would only benefit of getting rid of the physical and imaginary boundaries of Northern Blvd.

In the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn't matter that much.  I happen to like when things like maps are accurate, and it bugs me that the maps are inaccurate and also contradictory.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2016, 08:23:44 AM »
I wouldn't look to the USPS to be the final arbiter in neighborhoods. I used to in Sunnyside, but the USPS insisted I lived in Woodside. Never mind that the Sunnyside office was a 5 minute walk from my apartment, and the Woodside post office was two subway stops away.

What defines a neighborhood is fairly dependent on individual perspective. Long time residents may have a different idea than newer residents based on their history, going to nearby schools, etc. And who really cares? It's like folks who want to argue about birth years of generations. Who cares if the cut off between baby boomers and gen x is 1965 or 1960? It's not like it makes any meaningful difference.

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2016, 09:40:04 AM »
I think Jackson Heights has narrowed itself down to the historic district. That is what all the real estate is about, at least. Roosevelt and down to 73rd get added for flavor, but it's a very narrow border when it comes to class, status, opportunity and the like.

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2016, 10:03:54 AM »
Realtors are happy to push the boundaries. It may be an apartment in Corona, but if it's close enough to Jackson Heights to fudge it a bit for the listing, there's benefit (for both the realtor, seller, and the buyer who might not be able to afford the Historic District, but can swing a one bedroom near Junction Blvd.) This happened in all over Brooklyn a decade ago.

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2016, 01:42:19 PM »
From a Department of City Planning report, circa 2006-
East Elmhurst in north-central Queens is bounded to the north by LaGuardia Airport, to the east by Flushing Bay, to the south by Northern Boulevard, and to the west by 85th Street. Prior to World War I, North Beach, as it was called then, was “Queens County’s Coney Island” on Long Island Sound, with picnic grounds, dance halls, and amusement park rides. The area was developed in 1905 as a neighborhood of frame houses on small lots; those on the bluff overlooking the Bowery Bay had private beaches. Prior to 1937 the area was wholly residential, but transportation and utility uses, including the Bowery Bay Water Pollution Control Plant, transformed the shoreline before and after WW II.

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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2016, 02:39:00 PM »
I answered that DNAInfo question as well. To me, the boundaries have always been:
West-East:  BQE-Junction Blvd/94th St
South-North:  Roosevelt/Astoria Blvd.

I grew up at 32-56 76 St right behind the Northern Lanes parking lot. We were definitely in the 'heights!  :D

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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2016, 02:52:20 PM »
Strictly speaking Jackson Heights as developed by Edward A. MacDougall and the Queensboro Corporation ends at Northern Blvd. Even the topography is all down hill from there to La Guardia. Actually the highest elevation of JH is around 35th Avenue between 79th St. and 80th St.

The area north of Northern Blvd. for the most part was not developed until the 50's and 60's. When the JH Shopping Center was erected that area was already in an identity crisis. Perhaps some saw it as an extension of the original JH? We could call it Chicago if we wanted to but that doesn't make it so. Today that area is called East Elmhurst which doesn't seem to make much sense either. The Post Office in the shopping center calls itself Trainsmeadow. That's likely after the old road which once ran through the area and also related to the general area around it.  I never hear anyone over there calling the place Trainsmeadow. And I think they even know East Elmhurst is sort of odd.

Prior to the incorporation of Queens County into NYC this part of Queens was the City of Newtown. Newtown's borders were roughly Bowery Bay to the north, Brooklyn to the south, where the BQE now is to the west, and Flushing Meadow to the east. Within Newtown's borders was a section called Charlotteville which roughly corresponds to today's East Elmhurst.

Maybe those north of Northern Blvd. aught to look into their own history. Sorry, but they are not JH.

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