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Offline dssjh

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #405 on: July 02, 2016, 07:06:51 PM »
i'm all for declaring Newark the 24 hour airport. New Jersey deserves it.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #406 on: July 02, 2016, 09:56:51 PM »
I wish it would be Newark.

Unfortunately, however, I fear it's going to be LGA.






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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #407 on: July 03, 2016, 08:14:11 AM »
in all seriousness, i think LGA is third most likely, if that is to happen.

in order to turn either of the others into round-the-clock operations, all the port authority has to do is flip the bird to residents (and win a decade or so of court fights).

in order to do the same for LGA, the agency would need to put in tens of millions (at least) in improvements beyond what they're doing already -- i haven't looked lately, but i don't think there's quite enough runway lengthening/alteration to allow the biggest planes to land, and if you can't fully utilize the facility, why bother? i may be wrong about that last part, please correct me if i am.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #408 on: July 03, 2016, 10:40:23 AM »
The budget for the renovations of LGA is in the billions.

Tens of millions is a drop in the Long Island Sound.

From my reading, it appears that the FAA is not transparent when it comes to altering airports. All over the country.
(Chicago, Washington for instance) And by the time the renovations are done it's a fait accompli.
And residents have to suck it up.

Leading to huge problems in neighborhood noise levels.

That's what I have read in articles online, concerning other airports which have been "upgraded".

All these maps/projections etc were done for those other airports to predict their situation.  And yet they are bombarded by noise once reality sets in.

Much like us.

 


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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #409 on: July 03, 2016, 10:56:34 AM »
not arguing any of those points.

arguing that, if NYC does get a 24-7 airport, it won't be LGA. it would take additional billions to acquire and condemn properties needed to make the airport runways accessible for the biggest planes. and another 10 years of construction.

at JFK or EWR, you keep the lights on for a few more hours and add a shift on the job front.

are there any stateside airports open 24-7 now? i can't think of any in the lower 48

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #410 on: July 03, 2016, 01:37:45 PM »
By the way...for clarification those noise contour maps I referred to previously...are to show areas who can apply for money for sound mitigation.

We are not within the sound contour map.

Thus we here in Jackson Heights will always have to "suck it up" concerning plane noise.

And never be compensated for it.

Also I have no idea what they doing to the runways...with all these "repairs" every w/end. With all I know they well could be extending the runways...and not telling us. 

That seems to be their previous modus operandi in other airports around the country. I repeat they operate with NO TRANSPARENCY.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #411 on: July 03, 2016, 01:56:12 PM »
they would have to double the length of the runways -- the one that occasionally puts takeoffs over our homes is 7003 ft x 150 ft and the dimensions needed for handling heavier, 747 and larger planes, would have to match JFK's, which are 13,000 feet x 200 feet and 15,000 feet x 250 feet. we'd notice a runway being extended by a mile or more, since it would extend outside the airport grounds.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #412 on: July 03, 2016, 02:07:22 PM »
I simply don't trust these Authorities.

Based on their previous actions with other airports and the problems they cause which must then be "sucked up" by neighborhoods after it's too late.

I am also suspicious that in the report...a noise monitor on 78th Street/34th Ave was removed once it started reading that airport noise was greater than surrounding ambient noise.  (That means they would have had to pay noise mitigation for us)

So instead, my guess is that they removed the monitor.  No readings. no problems...for them.

In the report they say the monitor was requested to be taken away by a "home owner."

All very dodgy.

Also... who's to say the runway can't be extended into Long Island Sound...? Doubled in that direction...

Many other airports have built runways over water...and actually looking at a map of the LGA runways that would be a perfect solution to elongate them.

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #413 on: July 04, 2016, 02:43:38 PM »
QuietSkies.net representative suggests sending the letter below to federal elected officials --
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Dear ,

As you know the Senate and House may soon pass an interim 2016 FAA Re-authorization Bill. At present there are House (H.R. 4441 ) and Senate ( H.R. 636) bills which must be reconciled to a single bill and passed by both houses.
These two bills have provision that, in a perfect world, might be sufficient to get us on the road to fair and safe noise  levels for those of us on the ground. Unfortunately we don't live in that perfect world and many sections of the bills are simply "feel good" phrases that relate to greater citizen input to airspace changes. There is no requirement to change the threshold from 65DNL to 55DNL or to any other value for that matter. And, as we all know, if the noise threshold is not changed then, with or without citizen involvement, the FAA will have no motivation to make needed changes.
The only section that comes close to helping us get meaningful and potentially safer noise levels is Sec. 604 of H.R. 4441 which states:   
SEC. 604. Aircraft noise exposure

(a) Review- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration
shall conduct a review of the relationship between aircraft noise exposure and its effects on communities around airports.

(b) Report

(1) In general- Not later than 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall submit to Congress a report containing the  results of the review.

(2) Preliminary recommendations - The report shall contain such preliminary recommendations as the Administrator determines appropriate for revising the land use
compatibility guidelines in part 150 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, based on the results of the review and in coordination with other agencies"

[Note: An exact copy of SEC 604, with proper indentation, is available]

Please do what you can  to keep Sec. 604 in the final bill.

Thanks in advance,


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"The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States
to promote an environment for all Americans free from
noise that jeopardizes their health or welfare."
NOISE CONTROL ACT of 1972
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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #414 on: July 06, 2016, 11:48:42 AM »
Like I keep saying I don't trust these Authorities.

It appears that the language in the document of the bill above is so vague and waffling that it can mean anything.

But mostly, to me, it seems to mean that the ADMINISTRATOR of the FAA is in charge of everything.

And the FAA, I believe, is on the airports' side.  And not on the side of an airport's surrounding neighborhoods.


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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #415 on: July 08, 2016, 05:27:05 PM »
13/31 shut down this weekend so it's probably going to be a crappy weekend for us... plan a trip

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #416 on: July 08, 2016, 08:42:22 PM »
13/31 shut down this weekend so it's probably going to be a crappy weekend for us... plan a trip

but fly out of jfk!

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #417 on: July 08, 2016, 10:20:03 PM »
I can already feel my heart rate rising.  :'(

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #418 on: July 08, 2016, 10:24:27 PM »
If everyone goes to sleep RIGHT NOW, you can still get about 8 hours' sleep ;-)

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Re: Airplane Noise (Part 2)
« Reply #419 on: July 11, 2016, 09:51:01 AM »
They never did the takeoffs from runway 22, so it turned out to be not bad. Phew!