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Offline Shelby2

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Re: The state of the RE market in Queens
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2009, 09:12:30 PM »

This thread is about a year old now.
Just to update: here is the first quarter '09 real estate report for Queens from Prudential Elliman.

It's a pdf, so keep that in mind if you click the link
http://www.prudentialelliman.com/NYCPhotos/retail_reports/Q109QuMO.pdf

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Re: The state of the RE market in Queens
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2009, 11:08:31 PM »
This thread is about a year old now.
Just to update: here is the first quarter '09 real estate report for Queens from Prudential Elliman.

It's a pdf, so keep that in mind if you click the link
http://www.prudentialelliman.com/NYCPhotos/retail_reports/Q109QuMO.pdf

While Queens as whole has trends, this neighborhood definitely has its share of history with ups and downs pricewise, I know that.  When I bought my first apartment, a Greystone in 93, I can't begin to tell you how cheap it was ... even the value of the apartment we bought in 02 has gone up considerably different than the rest of Queens.  But I assume (ignorant of real estate trends as I am) that we are in a little decline now ...
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Re: The state of the RE market in Queens
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2009, 08:55:20 AM »
Come on, tell us how cheap it was!!!
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I am curious to know how much prices have dropped or if there is anything being sold these days?

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I am curious to know how much prices have dropped or if there is anything being sold these days?

There are definitely sales being made, or at least apartment sales are being closed on.  You can check this about.com site to find out how to access NYC gov's rolling sales data.  Another good source is propertyshark.com.  A free account lets you see 6 properties per day.  If you use the map function, you can zero in on JH and select 6 large coop buildings and see what units have sold for in 2009.

I suppose some deals that closed in January may have had signed contracts pre-crash if board approval took 4+ months, but anything after January I would imagine must have had a signed contract after the big crash in September (unless board approval or something else took an unusual amount of time).

In my own building, which I won't mention for privacy's sake, it appears that prices never went down.  They may have gone up a bit or perhaps stayed still.  It's hard to measure sometimes because there's no good way to know the condition of the unit that's been sold unless you have been inside it yourself.

The other difficult thing in JH is comparing buildings.  The prices really vary from building to building, so keep that in mind when trying to draw conclusions.

That's my 2 cents as a layperson.

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Hi,

Log on to propertysharks.com for recent sales information.   :smiley6600:

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Roosevelt Terrace with 436 units sold 23 apartments in 2008. 

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I am curious to know how much prices have dropped or if there is anything being sold these days?
Coops are still selling well in my opinion, cosidering the current market.  Those misguided individuals looking to sell their properties for top dollar without making the effort to do what has to be done to get the top dollar will simply have their properties stay in the market with no buyers.  Then you have the uninformed buyer ???.  You know, the ones that walk into your property and offer you 20 or 25% less than the asking price  :tickedoff:.  Assuming that the unit is being marketed within the comparable pricing for similar and it's not a "handyman" special an offer like those don't even deserve a counter offer.  I doubt that the coop Bd. of Directors would allow a sudden drop of prices to take place since this would dramatically change the price per share in the building (unless this is a REO sale).
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From Trulia.com:

The median sales price for homes in Jackson Heights, Queens for Feb 09 to Apr 09 was $520,000 based on 31 sales. Compared to the same period one year ago, the median sales price decreased 18%, or $114,125, and the number of sales decreased 46.6%. Average price per square foot for Jackson Heights was $272, a decrease of 25.1% compared to the same period last year.

There are currently 515 resale and new homes in Queens on Trulia, including 2 open houses, as well as 7 homes in the pre-foreclosure, auction, or bank-owned stages of the foreclosure process. The average listing price for homes for sale in Jackson Heights was $370,622 for the week ending May 13, which represents a decrease of 0.2%, or $728, compared to the prior week.

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Trulia is a very weak reporter of statistics.  Most of their sales reports are theirs.  I used them all the time but I can tell you it doesn't tell you half the story.  Jackson Heights last year was selling so well that it was impossible to keep stock of the average apartment.  There was many more construction filings and work going on so therefore much more activity.  Many NEW 3 family houses sold for over a million plus thus showing a larger than true representation of comparable sales.  Jackson Heights has many different areas.  I would point out south and north of Northen Blvd., the Historical district, the 90's vs the 70's and so on.  The smarter owner is not putting their units out there into the market right now. 

Most of the better and more "exclusive' buildings have nothing in the market.  Meanwhile last year there were many more of those units or "better properties" in the market.  It would be unfair to explain the market in areas like Jackson Heights using web sites like Trulia.   Trulia does not have the ability to differentiate between a "Good Block" or a "Not so good Block".  Trulia does provide great "general data" but I can tell you that there are many units out there selling well in good buildings but unfortunately not sufficient to accurately compare apples with apples.  Trulia reported 2 open house but we know there were over a dozen of them this past week alone.    I bet if you pick the better buildings and compare them to the not so sought after buildings you will see that there are many crappy apartments for sale and no competition.  In other words, people looking for nice apartments cannot find the real deals out there. 

Many went out there and paid a tremendous amount of money for 1 and 2 or even 3 family houses and they thought they were going to flip them. Reality check, it's over and now many of those people that paid top dollar for houses are trying to dump them and the banks are now taking them in and short selling them.  This is not representative of Coops I assure you.
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So If Trulia is not a good source what is? Mlsli? realtor.com? Where else do they list real estate?

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hunnybear,

Trulia uses sophisticated software to link other websites into theirs (and vise versa)and somehow uses fancy mechanism to interact with each other and converts numbers into weekly, monthly and or yearly statistics.  The problem is that they depend on people that actually use Trulia to list their listings and they represent such a small percentage of sold or even listed properties I wouldn't use them to report statistics.  Now, if I were selling in a specific neighborhood and Trulia said the prices here have increased and that the properties is this or that and overall they are saying something positive I would say to a prospective buyer that "Trulia has reported positive statistics for this zip code" etc, and this would be a statement of facts.  Not a statement of the market as factual but a fact that Trulia said so.
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I rarely use Trulia and neither most of the realtors I know.  Trulia may become a great listing source one day but today it's more of a pop thing.  They rarely produce real buyers and even though you will have the occasional Turlia Pro user that swear by it when you really look closely they will still tell you that Trulia is good as a complement to whatever you are already doing to market listings.  Remember, I wrote they were a poor source of statistical reporting.  LIBOR has a great statistic mechanism and monthly reports but it is for the use of members.  They will regularly produce reports for the general public.  MLS is the standard marketing tool.  Basically, a listing agent list and trows it in the pool hoping some other agent sells it while he or she simply list the property.  Nothing wrong with that, especially in a good market where everything sells.   
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I get it! thanks for your clarification ::)

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Re: The state of the RE market in Queens
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2009, 10:41:03 PM »
Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate has a new report out on the state of the real estate market in Queens for the second quarter of 2009.



Jackson Heights is part of the "West Queens Market."