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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #150 on: August 17, 2012, 01:08:38 PM »
I know that Dan Dromm has tried to have some public education projects re not littering, merchants cleaning up sidewalks etc. but there's got to be a better way. The old "not enough garbage cans" or the garbage cans are full doesn't cut it with me. If the garbage can is full carry people should carry refuse to their next destination where it can be properly disposed of.  I don't drop my waste on the street when I'm walking my dog, I carry with me until I find a can. It can and should be done.  People need to grow up and take care of their environments, even urban ones.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #151 on: August 18, 2012, 10:43:28 AM »
I couldn't agree with you more. People have said this over and over again but the only real way to clean up the streets is law  enforcement. If you get a ticket, then you'll be "educated" not to do it again. This should also apply to the store owners who never clean up  in front of their stores. They should be setting the example.I hope that Daniel Dromm is able to make a positive impact by getting more enforcement in the area.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #152 on: August 20, 2012, 11:59:39 AM »
They need spittoons.
Also, I can't believe it, but there are 2 new bangladeshi supermarkets... one in the JH food court, and the other where Ambala used to be, 37th Ave and 72nd St. It's a little crazy, they are going to tear each other apart.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #153 on: August 20, 2012, 12:06:01 PM »
I wonder if it ever occurs to community leaders to suggest diversity in retail, not just in people.  The repetition of stores in JH is a part of it's curse and downfall. It might work in SA or Bangladesh, but with our high rents, you have to stand out in order to attract enough customers.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #154 on: August 20, 2012, 01:03:12 PM »
Trust me, what community leaders think or say will likely have little if any influence on individual business decisions.  Also, the opinions of some outsiders will not likely be welcomed.  Unfortunately it will be business failures that finally convince the next merchant to try something different.

The owners of commercial buildings have a big say regarding their tenants.  For example, commercial leases can stipulate that no direct competitor be leased within the same building.  But there is nothing preventing a tenant from renting in another building across the street.  That is what we are experiencing.

Until our merchants look more carefully at the competitive dynamics of the local area, we will continue to throw up our hands over situations like this.  So if they complain again about how bad business is, we know it is not because of a one-block plaza.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #155 on: August 20, 2012, 01:09:06 PM »
My point is not that they have a say, but they can suggest.  Of course, they have no say.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #156 on: August 20, 2012, 04:28:54 PM »
Retail diversity in some contexts makes commercial sense. 

But in an urban environment, it’s also fairly common for specialized commercial centers to develop --  which become known for particular products/services/cuisines etc.  ( i.e. the diamond district in midtown, the plant stores in the East 20s along 6th Ave., various antique districts, many other examples in NYC and elsewhere).   In that context, having multiple competing business offering the same or similar products in a small area enhances the overall level of economic activity.  Traditional retail diversity -- in the sense of having a florist, a hardware store, hair stylist, a dry clearner  etc. -- is a little beside the point in a commercial center of this sort.   

The 74th street corridor has plainly become an established commercial center for a number of products (directed predominately though not exclusively to the South Asian community) with seemingly dozens of jewelry shops, sari shops, food vendors and restaurants offering the same or similar products.  My guess is that that over the years, the concentration of so many competing businesses has been a boon to the overall level of economic activity and profitability rather than a hindrance.  So it’s not really surprising that there would be two Bangladeshi supermarkets within half a block.

Not sure what the current state of business is on 74th Street -- although by the number of people going in and out of stores it seems like it is still going strong. Could be wrong, but I kind of doubt there would be a strong business incentive to introduce more retail diversity. 

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #157 on: August 20, 2012, 05:35:50 PM »
what you say makes sense - but in the rest of JH, it seems to result in failed businesses. And it's a drag too, because the majority of these businesses are really uninspiring. I'd love to shop in the neighborhood, I do to the degree possible.  I don't need really expensive high-end stores. There is a new Russian deli on 37th that looks very nice - hope it manages to hang in there for a while before the landlord strangles the life out of it.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #158 on: August 20, 2012, 06:53:34 PM »
the business failure rate -- in my opinion -- is not a function of lack of diversification. the recent failures on 37th include an old school mini-market, a dry cleaner, a clothing store, rudy volcano (however you'd classify that place) and an indian restaurant.

the non-diversified sections -- solid blocks of desi businesses, solid blocks of central and south american  37/restaurants, phone card places, places that afford links to a homeland -- aren't suffering the same failure rate.

frankly, it's all down to landlords who want to suck every last dollar from tenants -- a proud american tradition. the tiny dry cleaner at 37th and 76th managed to squeak by paying 4500 a month, for a place a little smaller than a typical two bedroom apartment in this neighborhood. they charged relatively high prices, did very nice work .... and had to leave when the LLC in charge wanted another two grand a month.

a big crash is coming, and it's not gonna be pretty.

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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #159 on: August 22, 2012, 10:05:27 PM »
Diversity Plaza looked great the other night.   There were very attractive lighting from Kebab King, and the flags of many nationalities.

Streetsblog has some great pictures:


Tonight the flags and stage are gone, but the festive lights are still there.   Hopefully they'll stick around for a while.



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Re: 37th Road Plaza draws praise
« Reply #160 on: August 23, 2012, 09:12:20 AM »
Is it called Diversity Plaza now? that's very interesting...

DSSJH, there are still lots of South Asian businesses going out of business. They are just replaced by similar businesses most of the time.

The rents are terrible, but how can you blame the landlords for going at market rate? If people are paying...

I blame naivete and masochism.

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Vendors Pledge To Keep City Streets Clean
« Reply #161 on: April 25, 2013, 02:23:56 PM »
http://www.queenstribune.com/2013Weekly/Trib%20Web%20042513/News_042513_VendorsPledgeToKeepCityStreetsClean.html


Vendors Pledge To Keep City Streets Clean

By Trisha Sakhuja

Street vendors joined Councilman Daniel Dromm (D-Jackson Heights) and community leaders to hold a press conference on April 23 to announce a new collaborative project, the Clean Streets Initiative.








Councilman Daniel Dromm joined street vendors in an effort to keep Queens streets clean.


“I am proud to endorse the Clean Streets Initiative,” said Dromm. “I have been working with street vendors to improve conditions in our communities for a long time and feel this is a giant step in the right direction to addressing some of the issues concerning street vending.”

Some may think street vendors are the cause of dirty street corners, but Agha Saleh, founder of Social Uplift Knowledge and Hope Initiatives (Sukhi New York), feels otherwise.

“The street vendors are the bread and butter of the local community. They are real eyes and ears. They don’t liter, instead they use their garbage bins and create a clean space for their customers,” he said.

One of the goals of non-profit organization VAMOS Unidos is to advocate street vendor rights. As part of the Clean Street Initiative program, street vendors will place around stickers reading “Clean Streets Initiative” on their carts in Jackson Heights and Corona. The participants will pledge to maintain the area within a 20-foot radius of their carts. The vendor owners will keep their area clean of debris and provide more trash bins if needed.

VAMOS Unidos took the lead in the NYC Green Cart program, which introduced 1,000 new green carts to sell fruits and vegetables in underserved areas, and it has proven successful. The organization joined with the Dept. of Health and ally organizations, helping to provide low cost, healthy foods to communities plagued by diseases.

“It is these kids of pro-worker, pro-community projects that improve neighborhoods,” said Rafael Samanez, executive director of VAMOS Unidos. “This is a kick-off to unite vendors and turnaround the negative image of vendors in New York City.”

VAMOS Unidos plans to expand to other neighborhoods and create a collective effort to keep the streets clean, which in turn will increase business and the livelihood of Queens.

“We provide the community with reasonable priced and fresh food,” said Sammy Noor, owner of Sammy’s Halal Food, located on the corner of 73rd Road and Broadway in Jackson Heights. “This program reinforces our pledge to keep our neighborhood clean because we not only work here, but also live here.”

Even though VAMOS Unidos initiated this program in response to Councilwoman Julissa Ferreras’(D-East Elmhurst) New Deal Program, which proposes to increase the number of garbage bins and sanitation pickups, as well as install more lighting and video cameras on Roosevelt Avenue; Ferreras’ program does not seek a reduction or removal of street vendors.

The 37th Road pedestrian plaza in Jackson Heights has recently emerged as the local gathering place for the community and a central place where holidays from all religions are being celebrated. Last year, businesses were angered by the decrease in traffic and drop in sales, but united efforts from Sukhi NY and VAMOS Unidos changed the mindset of the local businesses. The pedestrian plaza is slowly becoming an advantage to the local businesses because they see an increase in sales, an increase in foot-traffic from nationalities other than Asian Americans and together they strive to keep the area clean.

Reach Reporter Trisha Sakhuja at (718-357-4000), Ext. 128, or at tsakhuja@queenstribune.com.

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Re: Vendors Pledge To Keep City Streets Clean
« Reply #162 on: April 25, 2013, 05:40:53 PM »
 Here is where I have a problem with the vendors/shop owners behavior vs. their words. Just days ago during
the morning rush hour right on 73rd road, I encountered a shopkeeper from the lottery & other items store
right next to the subway entrance emptying his smallish trash can into the city garbage cans. In front of
streams of people in broad daylight. I questioned him about this and asked if he knew that this was not right
as private businesses are by law responsible to pay for private garbage pickup. He shrugged and acted like
in a few minutes you will be gone and I will do this a few more times probably even today. Keep emptying
my trash into the public bin that always overflows and you, taxpayer and resident, will just have to deal.
  These are the vendors that are pledging to help the community keep the street clean? What accountability
do we have?

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Re: Vendors Pledge To Keep City Streets Clean
« Reply #163 on: April 25, 2013, 09:12:53 PM »
taggie, i agree with your thesis, but it's no different in JH than park slope, murray hill, woodlawn or tottenville. some business owners are considerate of neighbors, some are, for lack of a better word, pigs.

after 17 years in this area, i can say that mobile vendors create less trash than brick and mortar retailers. look down and you'll see more snapple bottles, chip bags, cigarette packs, candy wrappers and phone cards than leavings from taco trucks or momo carts. we need to target people who sell the former just as much as the latter.
with any luck, we can make a dent :)

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Re: Vendors Pledge To Keep City Streets Clean
« Reply #164 on: April 25, 2013, 09:55:27 PM »
I think many people would disagree with you. I lived in the Bronx in a working class/lower income neighborhood for 25 years but I have never dealt with trash on the scale and in the way of Jackson Heights.  I think until we stop giving bad behavior a pass, we will enable it.  I do think that there is not one group that is responsible for all the littering, it is pretty much systemic.