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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2009, 11:12:44 PM »
My guy will charge $600 total! (well, charges me after 40 + referrals)

When I bought my home is Holliswood 4 years or so ago the place was infested with roaches, buds, moforians and martians...he came and spent 90 minutes looking at the 3 floors and the basement and he said - tu tiene ^&%^$ y ^&%G blah con Tostones ^&%$(m - pollo conr ^&$&*(( -

Anyway, my point is he spent another 2 hours in my home.  There must have been a Chinese restaurant in my basement - Im not kidding!  There was a full professional kitchen in my basement and i had tons of storage foam  in my 3rd floor.  My exterminator haven't come to my home since.  He told me i wont need him for 2 or 3 years at least.  I never heard that before - He wasn't kidding!
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Re: Coop spends $250,000 to get rid of bedbugs
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2009, 11:21:27 PM »
I also read that many people are not allergic to the bugbites and can develop quite a large infestation before they notice it, so these interceptors could be the answer to the problem of early detection.

Don't the bugs leave marks on beds, etc. when they're squashed?  (sorry for using that word).  In any event, I would imagine that would be an even better sign of early detection.
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RE: Bedbugs
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2009, 02:23:29 PM »
   I have a girlfriend who lives in a coop in Forest Hills.  It was discovered that her along with quite a few other apartments in the building have bedbugs.  Who is responsible for the extermination her or the coop?

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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2009, 03:56:52 PM »
Maybe this article will help, at least for a start.  However, this article is a year old and there have most likely been more precedents set since then.

Dealing with Bedbugs
by Richard Siegler and Eva Talel
New York Law Journal
November 5, 2008


Bedbugs are making a major resurgence in the United States. Through June 19, 2008, 8,840 bedbug complaints were filed with the New York City Department of Housing Preservation and Development (HPD) by rental tenants, compared with 6,889 in all of 2007, an increase estimated at 28.3 percent. HPD issued 2,757 bedbug violations in 2008, up from 2,008 in 2007, or an estimated increase of 37.3 percent.[1] Managers of co-op and condominium buildings report similar trends.[2]

After World War II, liberal use of the pesticide DDT nearly eradicated bedbugs in the United States. Their resurgence is attributed to increased international travel; restrictions on the use of DDT; and the difficulty in eradicating bedbugs. They are minuscule, hide in cracks, crevices and inside mattresses and pillows and go easily undetected. While there is a common misconception that bedbugs are attracted by unsanitary conditions, their sole objective is finding a feeding source—human blood. Although bedbug bites do not spread disease and are not fatal, they leave itchy red lesions on the skin and their nocturnal feeding habits are traumatic for victims.[3]

Bedbugs present a challenge for co-op and condominium boards: is the apartment owner or the board responsible for eradicating an infestation? This column addresses this novel issue and discusses cases in New York and other states dealing with damage to persons and property from bedbug infestations. This column also provides guidance to boards and managers in dealing with bedbug infestations in co-op and condominium buildings.

Proprietary Lease

The touchstone for board and shareholder responsibility in a co-op is the proprietary lease. Generally, tenant-shareholders are responsible for keeping the apartment interior in good repair while the co-op/lessor is responsible for keeping the building in good repair. Therefore, an apartment owner should be responsible for remediating a bedbug infestation within the apartment. However, where multiple apartments are infested and it is difficult to identify the source, the infestation may become a board responsibility. Further, even where only a single apartment is infested, the protections afforded residential tenants by the warranty of habitability may obligate the board to remediate, unless the shareholder’s personal property is demonstrably the source of infestation.

Warranty of Habitability

The warranty of habitability, codified in New York Real Property Law (RPL) §235-b, implies a nonwaiveable warranty in every residential lease that the apartment is fit for human habitation and free of dangerous conditions detrimental to the health, life, or safety of its occupants.[4]......

Click link for the rest  -- it's a pdf. http://www.stroock.com/SiteFiles/Pub663.pdf

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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2009, 03:29:06 PM »
From NYC.gov -- Office of the Mayor:

MAYOR BLOOMBERG SIGNS LEGISLATION TO ESTABLISH A BED BUG ADVISORY BOARD


I'm just reading the bed bug thread now and am wondering - is the Bed Bug Advisory Board a board of people discussing bedbugs or a board of bed bugs discussing whatever it is bed bugs talk about?  Just wondering....

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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2009, 05:50:38 PM »
I'm just reading the bed bug thread now and am wondering - is the Bed Bug Advisory Board a board of people discussing bedbugs or a board of bed bugs discussing whatever it is bed bugs talk about?  Just wondering....

Actually, I just came across a site, New York vs Bed Bugs.  Not sure if a link has been posted here before, but I'm posting anyway.  This site contains lots of useful information with respect to bed bugs and recent legislation meant to tackle the problem.  What follows is a link to the page with some information on the Bed Bug Advisory Board.

New York City Bed Bug Advisory Board
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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2009, 09:59:48 PM »
Oh, now I get it...they're providing advice to bed bugs.  Thanks!

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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2009, 10:20:22 PM »
"The purpose of the board is to study the health concerns of bed bugs and make specific recommendations to the mayor and to the city council, within nine months, on the “prevention and treatment of bed bug infestations throughout the city.”


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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2009, 10:22:01 PM »
"The purpose of the board is to study the health concerns of bed bugs and make specific recommendations to the mayor and to the city council, within nine months, on the “prevention and treatment of bed bug infestations throughout the city.”

I wonder if bed bugs are concerned about people
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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2009, 10:26:23 PM »
Well, if we have an entire board studying their health concerns, they must at least be appreciative.  It seems  lately that they're more concerned than ever about people.

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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2009, 10:32:05 PM »
All joking aside, I recently read an article in The New York Times where people were commenting on why DDT is not being legalized considering that it was effective in controlling and/or eliminating bed bugs in years past.  Basically, the argument was that DDT, while toxic, should be a pesticide that only pest control specialists would use with proper training.  I don't know enough on the topic of DDT, so I can't opine on whether this would be a good idea.  I figure that if it has been banned, there must be good reason behind that banning.
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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2009, 10:36:08 PM »
I've read that the new generation of bedbugs is so hardy they are not bothered by a little DDT, so bringing it back would make no difference (or not enough of a difference) to this new plague.  I can't cite my source or provide a quote, but I am pretty sure I got this almost right!

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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2009, 10:55:02 PM »
I've read that the new generation of bedbugs is so hardy they are not bothered by a little DDT, so bringing it back would make no difference (or not enough of a difference) to this new plague.  I can't cite my source or provide a quote, but I am pretty sure I got this almost right!

That sounds very familiar.  The info may be from one of the articles referenced earlier in this thread.
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Re: Bedbugs
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2009, 08:48:57 AM »
Yeah, it's true that DDT stopped working against bed bugs well before DDT was banned.  The bed bugs became resistant to it and likely still carry those resistance genes at some frequency in the population.

http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2008/05/15/ddt-resistance-once-more-with-tables-and-sources/

Nicholas Kristof in the NY Times has written multiple columns promoting the use of DDT in Africa to control malaria without ever addressing the issue of DDT resistance (most mosquito populations are already resistant to DDT, and those that aren't would evolve resistance very quickly).  DDT has just been a cudgel for naysayers and right-wingers to beat environmentalists over the head with for many years now.  It was banned because it caused global catastrophic declines in bird life, including the near-extinctions of the Bald Eagle and Peregrine falcon.  Those two species have only recovered in the last 10 years.

As for the original topic...I think it would be near-impossible for the co-op to "prove" that the bedbugs originated in your apartment only and were brought in by you or your guests.  Are there any 311 complaints for bedbugs in your building?  You can check online.  If so, then the co-op would likely be responsible.