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Offline abcdefghijk

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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #150 on: August 30, 2021, 11:14:12 AM »
Quote from: Hagop on August 29, 2021, 11:45:31 PM
Quote from: abcdefghijk on August 29, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Meanwhile, what are the 34th Ave inhabitants saying about noise?
We live on 34th Avenue. I realize that our experience may not be universal; I'm sure where on 34th you live, what floor, etc. all make a difference. But for us...the street is a LOT more noisy after 8pm. I don't notice much noise coming from open street during the day at all (been working from home for the last year+), but you can tell the minute it turns to 8:00 without looking at a clock, because of the vehicle noise. So for us, Open Streets has resulted in a quieter home, not noisier.

Interesting. From someone who lives on 34th Ave. Who sounds like they are reporting their facts. And not agenda'ed. For some reason, often the agenda'ed folks come across as having anger management issues. There's no  balance. That's my observation.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #151 on: September 01, 2021, 08:09:12 PM »
Quote from: lissagordon on August 29, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
I am firmly against an Open Street which is 1 mile or more long and runs through a residential neighborhood, rapidly being turned into a commercial strip. This is the longest Open Street in NYC and the only one in an only residential neighborhood. This street is empty during the week when people should be working.
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There should be compromise, greatly reduced hours. And there needs to be patrolling of activities. The overall noise level is out of control!! It's nice that families can use it at night and weekends when there is light. Soon there will be no light in the evenings and it will be cold.

I've added the bold above. I'd like to know how noise is "out of control" on a street that's empty.

You never have to set foot on 34th Avenue to know that people walking -- even people walking with frolicking children, which is only some of the people some of the time anyway -- do not make as much noise as cars. This is true anywhere.

These are such ridiculous arguments. You want to say cars & parking should have priority, fine. I would disagree, but at least it's not a disingenuous statement. The people who keep saying "nobody uses the street but it's so noisy" know darn well that neither is remotely true.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #152 on: September 02, 2021, 09:28:49 PM »
Nobody uses it, it's too crowded  :)
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #153 on: September 03, 2021, 02:41:22 PM »
Quote from: jadasie on August 28, 2021, 03:39:43 PM
Jackson Heights desperately needs open space—and I’m happy to see people make the best of 34th ave—but wouldn’t 37th ave be the smarter street to close down (to non commercial traffic)? The sidewalks there are horribly overcrowded, and double parking is a mess that brings traffic to a halt anyway. Why not open it up, give the restaurants more outdoor breathing room, allow for more room to roam, and more space to play and hang out? [/b]

   I believe that when this JH Open Street situation is properly analyzed by all the depts in the city that need to consider the implications, another street BESIDES 34th Ave. Time will tell but there is so little conversation about less abled people - elderly and wheel chair bound, those whose jobs mandate a vehicle and people who prefer a more defined walkway (not including bikes in same area). Have said before that 37th is a MUCH better choice and hope that the conclusion of the professionals is the same. We have moved up the ladder with more park space in JH and if private gardens (we have a fair amount) and rooftop spaces are included, we would
be seen as providing more recreational space. But we have some fabulous gardens which will be profiled in JHBG's upcoming Garden Tour. Still really, really need an all weather, all abilities, all ages community center though.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #154 on: September 04, 2021, 08:23:53 PM »
Some people have pointed out that residents of 34th Ave are enjoying the Open Streets and have seen their property values increase because of this program. Perhaps these residents would be willing to share their bonus value by funding this initiative via increased real estate assessments so that the city could hire people to properly enforce the participation rules, ensure the safety of all, and possibly direct traffic on 35th Avenue?
Once again, the opinions of 34th Ave residents are not the only opinions that matter. 35th Ave was flooded on Thursday yet cars had to re-route to the already over-crowded 37th Ave and Northern Blvd.
Many thanks to the volunteers for their efforts, but this needs to be funded and staffed if it's too be fair to all.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #155 on: September 05, 2021, 09:48:08 AM »
 As far as I can see, property values are down on 34th Ave, not up, and am not sure where anyone is hearing otherwise. All JH residents opinions count here but those who are profoundly impacted deserve a little more weight with their opinions in my view. BTW this is commonly done with new
school buildings etc.
  You may want to live near a public facility, such as a school or park, but living right next to it may not be your thing and to have it open suddenly is not considering all parties.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #156 on: September 05, 2021, 10:06:55 AM »
Quote from: itsit on September 05, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
As far as I can see, property values are down on 34th Ave, not up, and am not sure where anyone is hearing otherwise. All JH residents opinions count here but those who are profoundly impacted deserve a little more weight with their opinions in my view. BTW this is commonly done with new
school buildings etc.
  You may want to live near a public facility, such as a school or park, but living right next to it may not be your thing and to have it open suddenly is not considering all parties.

All urban property prices are down. Across NYC. There is a move towards less density/the suburbs/more space. Due to COVID.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #157 on: September 05, 2021, 03:34:42 PM »
It used to be one of my favorite activities to bike the 34th path and bike it fast! Absolutely no chance of that happening anymore with block parties, impromptu soccer games, delivery scooters, motor bikes, motor scooters, motor unicycle wheel things, and whatever else clamoring for space and not looking over their shoulder. Oh well! There's always the freezing winter.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #158 on: September 05, 2021, 04:24:24 PM »
funny, almost every cyclist i know finds cars to be more of a problem than other kinds of cycles and/or pedestrians. you do know that there were delivery scooters on 34th when it was open to cars, right?
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #159 on: September 06, 2021, 04:31:14 PM »
Quote from: dssjh on September 05, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
funny, almost every cyclist i know finds cars to be more of a problem than other kinds of cycles and/or pedestrians. you do know that there were delivery scooters on 34th when it was open to cars, right?

It still is open to cars, the sign says "local traffic only" not "no traffic". I've seen cars and pedestrians sharing the same road now, with what's probably less oversight and knowledge about how it's supposed to work.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #160 on: September 06, 2021, 08:01:30 PM »
Chickenring doesn't seem to know that.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #161 on: September 07, 2021, 02:34:53 PM »
Quote from: ChickenringNYC on September 05, 2021, 03:34:42 PM
It used to be one of my favorite activities to bike the 34th path and bike it fast! Absolutely no chance of that happening anymore with block parties, impromptu soccer games, delivery scooters, motor bikes, motor scooters, motor unicycle wheel things, and whatever else clamoring for space and not looking over their shoulder. Oh well! There's always the freezing winter.

Chickenring, I'm confused here. In prior posts you've only claimed to live here since February 2021. When exactly were you biking 34th Ave super fast? Open Streets seems to be older than you are.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #162 on: September 07, 2021, 02:40:24 PM »
Quote from: itsit on September 05, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
As far as I can see, property values are down on 34th Ave, not up, and am not sure where anyone is hearing otherwise. All JH residents opinions count here but those who are profoundly impacted deserve a little more weight with their opinions in my view. BTW this is commonly done with new
school buildings etc.
  You may want to live near a public facility, such as a school or park, but living right next to it may not be your thing and to have it open suddenly is not considering all parties.

Homeowners' opinions and say on this subject do not carry more weight than renters. Sorry.
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #163 on: September 07, 2021, 04:48:34 PM »
Quote from: auxbarricades on September 07, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: itsit on September 05, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
As far as I can see, property values are down on 34th Ave, not up, and am not sure where anyone is hearing otherwise. All JH residents opinions count here but those who are profoundly impacted deserve a little more weight with their opinions in my view. BTW this is commonly done with new
school buildings etc.
  You may want to live near a public facility, such as a school or park, but living right next to it may not be your thing and to have it open suddenly is not considering all parties.

Homeowners' opinions and say on this subject do not carry more weight than renters. Sorry.

I dunno they are the ones paying property taxes and have more "skin in the game".
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Re: Petition started for "compromise" on 34th Ave Open Streets
« Reply #164 on: September 07, 2021, 05:04:28 PM »
Yet again, people (with agendas) speaking for others.

It is always great to hear what the real people who live on 34th Ave say.

We have heard some already on this thread.

And, interestingly, it is often nothing like what the folks (with agendas) proclaim. Mostly, reading the responses, the folks who live on 34th Ave come across far more balanced than the agenda'ed posters.
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