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Get Connected => Neighborhood Chat => Topic started by: ChickenringNYC on December 02, 2021, 08:03:44 PM
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Anyone else waiting for a major newspaper to have an A1 headline, "SORRY FOR THE OMICRON BS"??
Why must the world financial markets and travel industry be upended by this overblown news? How many variants have there been? There are new variants all the time. And nobody is even getting very ill from this one. What gives?
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.....and almost everyone in the neighborhood is wearing masks - outside!
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Anyone else waiting for a major newspaper to have an A1 headline, "SORRY FOR THE OMICRON BS"??
Why must the world financial markets and travel industry be upended by this overblown news? How many variants have there been? There are new variants all the time. And nobody is even getting very ill from this one. What gives?
we promise the death toll -- and long-haul toll -- will rise enough to make you happy.
the financial markets have nothing to do with the news. the 20 richest people in the world -- mostly outside the U.S. -- control those.
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Anyone else waiting for a major newspaper to have an A1 headline, "SORRY FOR THE OMICRON BS"??
Why must the world financial markets and travel industry be upended by this overblown news? How many variants have there been? There are new variants all the time. And nobody is even getting very ill from this one. What gives?
we promise the death toll -- and long-haul toll -- will rise enough to make you happy.
the financial markets have nothing to do with the news. the 20 richest people in the world -- mostly outside the U.S. -- control those.
It's more like, cases and hospitalizations skyrocket in a few states recently.. that barely gets a blip in the news.. but some variant that hasn't been making anyone seriously ill makes for a world panic.
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With the anti viral pills and vaccines available...plus everyone knows the drill by now...the world is definitely in a better position than we were during the dark tunnel of 2020.
So that's the positive.
Medical science has saved us.
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I do think the numbers and the level of sickness don't warrant the restrictions with the current level of information available. But if this falls into the category of "with an abundance of caution" and certain decisions are made at this time that confuse us all, I'll go along. Everyone in my immediate and extended circle who has passed from Covid, or gotten really ill, has seen it progress very, very quickly so if this is the early response and it's tempered later, I'm ok with that. But your point is taken here.
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"The financial markets have nothing to do with the news."
The financial markets most certainly reacted to the news. Without question.
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It appears that current vaccines are less resistant to to Omicron variant. Today's report from South Africa says that the Omicron may be 3 times more likely to create breakthrough infections That is a cause for concern for public health officials and pharmaceutical companies that have been advocating the vaccines as the best solution for the pandemic. Investors who speculate on the market have to react on early news and public health officials may have to prepare alternative measures. It remains to be seen if this variant is more dangerous than others. So far it seems mild, but we'll need a few weeks to really judge its impact.
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Sorry, it seems I misunderstood the report from South Africa. It was referring to re-infections in particular, or people who had previously been infected, not vaccinated people. The study was not peer reviewed.
CBS News has the story here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/omicron-variant-covid-cases-reinfection-boosters-africa-vaccine-equity/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/omicron-variant-covid-cases-reinfection-boosters-africa-vaccine-equity/)
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The spread of the Omicron variant only underscores the failure of the major Western countries, the US above all, to develop a strategy for eliminating this deadly virus worldwide. Instead, we are told we must learn to "live with COVID", i.e., to accept more than 1,000 people, 400,000 a year, dying from it, and no one knows how many contracting long Covid that will potentially affect them for the rest of their lives. If people in our neighborhood are still wearing masks outside, it is because they know so many people who died or were sickened by the virus. Please forgive them for not following your enlightened "science".
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The spread of the Omicron variant only underscores the failure of the major Western countries, the US above all, to develop a strategy for eliminating this deadly virus worldwide. Instead, we are told we must learn to "live with COVID", i.e., to accept more than 1,000 people, 400,000 a year, dying from it, and no one knows how many contracting long Covid that will potentially affect them for the rest of their lives. If people in our neighborhood are still wearing masks outside, it is because they know so many people who died or were sickened by the virus. Please forgive them for not following your enlightened "science".
well said. imagine if we were told we must "learn to live with cancer" ... then again, there are those science-denierrs who claim that doesn't even exist, so......
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The spread of the Omicron variant only underscores the failure of the major Western countries, the US above all, to develop a strategy for eliminating this deadly virus worldwide. Instead, we are told we must learn to "live with COVID", i.e., to accept more than 1,000 people, 400,000 a year, dying from it, and no one knows how many contracting long Covid that will potentially affect them for the rest of their lives. If people in our neighborhood are still wearing masks outside, it is because they know so many people who died or were sickened by the virus. Please forgive them for not following your enlightened "science".
well said. imagine if we were told we must "learn to live with cancer" ... then again, there are those science-denierrs who claim that doesn't even exist, so......
But people and the world do live (and die of) cancer.
We have learned to live (and die) of it.
It's a fact of being human and being alive.
There is no real cure for cancer. Yet.
Blaming the USA or anyone for a disease is strange.
It's nature...and as yet mankind has not been able to completely control nature.
That's what COVID has proved.
But medical science has done a remarkable job to keep many diseases in check. Including COVID.
Still, nature remains more powerful than we are. Even more powerful than the USA!
And we do have to accept that. And live with it.
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My medico pals are telling me that the initial data is Omicron is more infectious but the disease may be less severe.
This is great news. And follows the pattern of how the Spanish Flu of 1918 dissipated.
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The spread of the Omicron variant only underscores the failure of the major Western countries, the US above all, to develop a strategy for eliminating this deadly virus worldwide. Instead, we are told we must learn to "live with COVID", i.e., to accept more than 1,000 people, 400,000 a year, dying from it, and no one knows how many contracting long Covid that will potentially affect them for the rest of their lives. If people in our neighborhood are still wearing masks outside, it is because they know so many people who died or were sickened by the virus. Please forgive them for not following your enlightened "science".
well said. imagine if we were told we must "learn to live with cancer" ... then again, there are those science-denierrs who claim that doesn't even exist, so......
But people and the world do live (and die of) cancer.
We have learned to live (and die) of it.
It's a fact of being human and being alive.
There is no real cure for cancer. Yet.
Blaming the USA or anyone for a disease is strange.
It's nature...and as yet mankind has not been able to completely control nature.
That's what COVID has proved.
But medical science has done a remarkable job to keep many diseases in check. Including COVID.
Still, nature remains more powerful than we are. Even more powerful than the USA!
And we do have to accept that. And live with it.
Cancer isn't transmissible by respiration.
(.....cancer being mostly a thousand different non-transmissible diseases with a common mechanism of uncontrolled cell replication.)
Cancer isn't amenable to sensible programs of eradication with simple public health messages and actions....
....these messages and actions which have been undermined by ignoramuses and those that take advantage of them for profit and power.
“All I can say is that on this earth there are plagues and there are victims, and as far as possible one should refuse to be on the side of the plague” - Camus
Apologizing for the willful spreader of covid misinformation is "being on the side of the plague. "
If as a culture we had a spine and a brain we could have beaten covid with 1/10th of the death we have had.
instead we have....looks around
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The spread of the Omicron variant only underscores the failure of the major Western countries, the US above all, to develop a strategy for eliminating this deadly virus worldwide. Instead, we are told we must learn to "live with COVID", i.e., to accept more than 1,000 people, 400,000 a year, dying from it, and no one knows how many contracting long Covid that will potentially affect them for the rest of their lives. If people in our neighborhood are still wearing masks outside, it is because they know so many people who died or were sickened by the virus. Please forgive them for not following your enlightened "science".
well said. imagine if we were told we must "learn to live with cancer" ... then again, there are those science-denierrs who claim that doesn't even exist, so......
But people and the world do live (and die of) cancer.
We have learned to live (and die) of it.
It's a fact of being human and being alive.
There is no real cure for cancer. Yet.
Blaming the USA or anyone for a disease is strange.
It's nature...and as yet mankind has not been able to completely control nature.
That's what COVID has proved.
But medical science has done a remarkable job to keep many diseases in check. Including COVID.
Still, nature remains more powerful than we are. Even more powerful than the USA!
And we do have to accept that. And live with it.
Cancer isn't transmissible by respiration.
(.....cancer being mostly a thousand different non-transmissible diseases with a common mechanism of uncontrolled cell replication.)
Cancer isn't amenable to sensible programs of eradication with simple public health messages and actions....
....these messages and actions which have been undermined by ignoramuses and those that take advantage of them for profit and power.
“All I can say is that on this earth there are plagues and there are victims, and as far as possible one should refuse to be on the side of the plague” - Camus
Apologizing for the willful spreader of covid misinformation is "being on the side of the plague. "
If as a culture we had a spine and a brain we could have beaten covid with 1/10th of the death we have had.
instead we have....looks around
Part of accepting nature is also accepting human nature.
Blaming human nature is strange.
There will always be folks who are wild cards...and not fall into line.
That's also part of being human and alive.
People, much like herding cats, are notoriously hard to control.
Obviously trying to control by negativity like shaming or shunning or whatever other tactics people use...simply doesn't work.
IMO maybe...a carrot rather than a stick COULD possibly be a better enlightened way to cajole folks. Rather than a sanctimonious approach. Maybe.
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"IMO maybe...a carrot rather than a stick COULD possibly be a better enlightened way to cajole folks. Rather than a sanctimonious approach. Maybe."
They've tried giving away money, lottery tickets, tickets to sporting events........the carrots haven't worked either. Too many still refuse to get vaccinated.
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"IMO maybe...a carrot rather than a stick COULD possibly be a better enlightened way to cajole folks. Rather than a sanctimonious approach. Maybe."
They've tried giving away money, lottery tickets, tickets to sporting events........the carrots haven't worked either. Too many still refuse to get vaccinated.
yet every one of them is already microchipped.....
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Well, then we might have to accept that the seeds of humankind destruction are hard wired in our nature.
Just like the Science Fiction books tell us.
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Well, then we might have to accept that the seeds of humankind destruction are hard wired in our nature.
Just like the Science Fiction books tell us.
we learned that the first time we used nuclear weapons in a terrorist attack -- and remain open to doing that again.
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Thank you for having the patience to argue with "common sense". China, with more than three times the US population has less than 5,000 recorded deaths, compared to more than 800,000 here. This is not to blame the American people, who have been fed lies, half-truths and anti-science backwardness, but rather those who are responsible. It is not "human nature" to destroy ourselves. It is the nature of a system that places profits over human lives. Whether it is this pandemic, the next one, climate change, or a nuclear war, as long as those interests determine public policy the prospects for humanity future are indeed grim.
Cancer isn't transmissible by respiration.
(.....cancer being mostly a thousand different non-transmissible diseases with a common mechanism of uncontrolled cell replication.)
Cancer isn't amenable to sensible programs of eradication with simple public health messages and actions....
....these messages and actions which have been undermined by ignoramuses and those that take advantage of them for profit and power.
“All I can say is that on this earth there are plagues and there are victims, and as far as possible one should refuse to be on the side of the plague” - Camus
Apologizing for the willful spreader of covid misinformation is "being on the side of the plague. "
If as a culture we had a spine and a brain we could have beaten covid with 1/10th of the death we have had.
instead we have....looks around
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Thank you for having the patience to argue with "common sense". China, with more than three times the US population has less than 5,000 recorded deaths, compared to more than 800,000 here. This is not to blame the American people, who have been fed lies, half-truths and anti-science backwardness, but rather those who are responsible. It is not "human nature" to destroy ourselves. It is the nature of a system that places profits over human lives. Whether it is this pandemic, the next one, climate change, or a nuclear war, as long as those interests determine public policy the prospects for humanity future are indeed grim.
Cancer isn't transmissible by respiration.
(.....cancer being mostly a thousand different non-transmissible diseases with a common mechanism of uncontrolled cell replication.)
Cancer isn't amenable to sensible programs of eradication with simple public health messages and actions....
....these messages and actions which have been undermined by ignoramuses and those that take advantage of them for profit and power.
“All I can say is that on this earth there are plagues and there are victims, and as far as possible one should refuse to be on the side of the plague” - Camus
Apologizing for the willful spreader of covid misinformation is "being on the side of the plague. "
If as a culture we had a spine and a brain we could have beaten covid with 1/10th of the death we have had.
instead we have....looks around
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As well as everything else (including great stuff)...Human nature clearly encompasses putting profits first too.
It's all part of human nature.
That's why the Ancient Greek concept of "Balance" is the philosophy and ideology I admire most.
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Covid is a medical issue.
The only sensible way to combat it is with science and medicine.
It is a threat and danger to all.
The more some make it a political issue or economic issue, the more chance it has to mutate into new strains. And that only serves to complicate eradicating it.
Covid doesn't care about your agendas.... it kills!
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What a difference a couple of weeks made! In a most disturbing way, we have gone into a scary place once again. I am hearing that it is possible that in a couple of weeks this wave may have washed over us and leave. Good riddance.
Be safe out there everyone!
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Funny, I was just about to link to the NYT today:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/22/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests/new-cases-slow-in-south-africa-suggesting-its-omicron-wave-may-have-peaked
Gotta love the NYT.. always a week or two behind the actual facts. Cases and hospitalizations been dropping like a stone for like.. a week? in South Africa. Literally plunging. Pfizer covid pill just got FDA approval. We're seeing a completely predictable (and predicted) winter Delta wave, the same one that already tore its way through the Midwest.
One thing is for sure though, the media will try to incite and create panic where none is needed. Another dumb headline in the Times said they spoke to "more than two dozen people" who are tired of Omicron. Um. Yeah. Stay smart, keep washing your hands, perhaps limit your indoor dining and activities and you'll see, this wave will peak and come down.
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FYI: If anyone is interested in getting their (Moderna) booster shot a.s.a.p., you can simply walk to the subway station at Roosevelt Avenue/74th Street. No appointment is necessary.
https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-announces-first-pop-booster-vaccine-sites-three-stations
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Am watching the South African story closely and yes, it's almost half from a week ago with new
infections. My group of family and friends are being cautious but not shutting down and hopefully we can ride out this wave. The current news outlets definitely incite panic.
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FYI: If anyone is interested in getting their (Moderna) booster shot a.s.a.p., you can simply walk to the subway station at Roosevelt Avenue/74th Street. No appointment is necessary.
https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-announces-first-pop-booster-vaccine-sites-three-stations
i passed the line today. wasn't sure if it was a test or shot. thank you!
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/24/world/africa/south-africa-covid-quarantine.html
South Africa leading the way yet again.Eanwhile chaos amd terror reign here in the United States of Dumb. NYC Tough! ...not
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/24/world/africa/south-africa-covid-quarantine.html
South Africa leading the way yet again.Eanwhile chaos amd terror reign here in the United States of Dumb. NYC Tough! ...not
fear and overreaction has always been the American way. except when it comes to guns, which are soon to be inserted into the womb during pregnancy to guarantee infants can develop skills before heading off to day care.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/24/world/africa/south-africa-covid-quarantine.html
South Africa leading the way yet again.Eanwhile chaos amd terror reign here in the United States of Dumb. NYC Tough! ...not
fear and overreaction has always been the American way. except when it comes to guns, which are soon to be inserted into the womb during pregnancy to guarantee infants can develop skills before heading off to day care.
Ha! Never too early for trigger discipline.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/24/world/africa/south-africa-covid-quarantine.html
South Africa leading the way yet again.Eanwhile chaos amd terror reign here in the United States of Dumb. NYC Tough! ...not
fear and overreaction has always been the American way. except when it comes to guns, which are soon to be inserted into the womb during pregnancy to guarantee infants can develop skills before heading off to day care.
Ha! Never too early for trigger discipline.
I saw a quiet meditation on this very topic here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHv6YBoIKbY
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/28/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests/the-cdc-significantly-lowers-its-estimate-of-omicrons-prevalence-nationwide
Well, well, well!!!! Another fantastic day for the CDC...
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it's always nice to hear from the pro-disease side. nothing's quite as heartwarming during the holidays as seeing someone giggle about 17,000 people in the ICU and 1500 dying per day.
let me save you the time -- i know it's "just the flu," as is congestive heart failure.
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Believe it or not, I'm not a *it's just a flu* person. The only point of this limited and specific thread is that the dreaded omicron variant is a red herring, trumped up by doom-porn peddling news outlets. Now that the CDC has downgraded their *estimate of the Omicron percentage AND shortened asymptomatic to five days, I'm sure cases and deaths will skyrockets right past the James Webb telescope. (Note my withering sarcasm).. long story short? Stay vigilant, get a booster, and live life!
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Thanks Chickenring. We've been too just that. Hyper vigilant, mask wearing, avoiding congregant setting (except for the needed subway/bus rides) and knock wood, life goes on.
Relatives have spoken of growing up in areas of long term conflict in a similar way. Just putting one foot in front of the other and taking the necessary as best as possible.
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/30/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests/south-africa-omicron-decline
Omicron has passed in SA with NO major spike in deaths. Also, USA 14-day average for deaths is down by 7%.
Happy New Year folks!
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deaths down 7 percent for now
hospitalizations up 21 percent
infections up 153 percent
cheers! {clink}
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Relative Lack of lethality is good...
Dead vs alive isnt the only option. Let's see how we do with long covid.
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Thanks, unvaxxed!